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What age would you put this child at?

452 replies

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 12:04

For writing etc? Any teachers to give feedback would also be very helpful 🙏

What age would you put this child at?
OP posts:
Upnorthsomeware · 06/04/2024 19:36

It’s reception age, but reception children have a wide range of abilities.
I’d be delighted if some of our lower ability children wrote like that, they are at the beginning of their journey and we are teaching correct letter formation just one letter at a time. This child has used their brave writing to create a letter which is lovely.

Justinkase · 06/04/2024 19:38

I have a 3 nearly 4 year old who can ‘write’ like this when copying and led by me as to what letter to do best. But she literally just copies, she has no idea what she is actually writing! Other than her name (and a few random letters that she knows) she can’t actually write any words independently yet. She would probably copy a Y in the same way!

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 19:41

Princesscounsuelabananahammock · 06/04/2024 19:29

OP the people on here saying that this was written by a preschooler are either winding you up or totally out of touch.

My dd is in Y1 at a state primary in the UK, small village school with lots of very bright kids. She's on the top table for literacy, aces all her spelling tests and only quite recently would she have spelt some of the words on your example so accurately.

As far as I know the most able of her cohort could just about write their name/a few words phonetically before starting reception and definitely wouldn't have been writing sentences so accurately.

Your child is obviously spelling very well and picking up grammar basics. I'd take that as a massive win at this age and it's likely that letter formation etc will come with practice and time although I don't see a lot wrong with it tbh. Sorry if I missed it in pp but is there something you're especially concerned about?

Edited

The spelling is out of whack with the writing itself. Lots of us noted that; but OP has explained she has tried to limit the handwriting instruction which does go some way to explain this.

Kissmystarfish · 06/04/2024 19:41

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 12:31

Hi, thank you everyone, just reading through the replies.
My dc is 5.5, but we’re abroad and she’s in a Pre school, this looks like it accounts for the style of writing? I’ve been reluctant to practise handwriting with her as it’s taught differently where we are and I don’t want to confuse her.
I’ve been reading with her at home, she’s level 4 (Chip & Biff books) does this seem ok?
I’m a little worried she’ll be behind as they don’t start reading where we are until 6, I haven’t been pushing her, just curious if it looks okish for this age?

I
home educate and think this is perfect! I wouldn’t even worry if she’s not reading by 10. Lord of home ed kids suddenly pick up reading. We have a student who didn’t read till he was 15 and is now working for NASA as an astrophysicist….

all shapes and sizes etc.

MissAmbrosia · 06/04/2024 19:42

Sorry - I didn't read all the thread, but my dd also grew up abroad and aged 5 could write her name, knew the alphabet etc. I did some English phonics but never pushed it as I didn't want to confuse her. Her Year 1 teacher when she was 6 said that the entire class would learn to read and write in 6 months. And they bloody did! I was a bit dubious and had been worried by friends kids who were younger bringing their reading books when they came to stay. Op, i really would just go with the flow.

MissAmbrosia · 06/04/2024 19:43

They were taught beautiful cursive writing too.

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 19:44

Kalevala · 06/04/2024 18:32

It was unrelated to school starting age for both my DN and DS, it was self directed interest.

Well lots of 4 year olds write like that because of school. Mine have because they were taught to age 4 at school. I don’t actually believe in pushing developmental milestones so it was definitely nothing from home.

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 19:48

MissAmbrosia · 06/04/2024 19:42

Sorry - I didn't read all the thread, but my dd also grew up abroad and aged 5 could write her name, knew the alphabet etc. I did some English phonics but never pushed it as I didn't want to confuse her. Her Year 1 teacher when she was 6 said that the entire class would learn to read and write in 6 months. And they bloody did! I was a bit dubious and had been worried by friends kids who were younger bringing their reading books when they came to stay. Op, i really would just go with the flow.

Yes. I’ve read lots about this. Apparently the brain is naturally developed to the point it is ready to receive these skills only by around 6. They then do it in a fraction of the time and tend to have better long term outcomes.

Birchavalon · 06/04/2024 19:49

Could be any age at all. People put too much emphasis on it. My much younger sister was virtually illiterate at 11 and went on to get a masters from Imperial.

Kalevala · 06/04/2024 19:52

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 19:44

Well lots of 4 year olds write like that because of school. Mine have because they were taught to age 4 at school. I don’t actually believe in pushing developmental milestones so it was definitely nothing from home.

The writing doesn't look school taught to me, the formation, and uppercase letters mixed in. Children can learn at home with no 'pushing'. DS asked how to spell words he wanted to write. DN just knows how to spell many words from reading (which was self taught).

ScruffMuffin · 06/04/2024 19:54

I'm a teacher in the UK and would have said anywhere in Reception or Year 1 (early 4 to late 6) and that writing would be fine across the age range. A few preschool children can do this (age 3-4) but it's unusual. I currently work an an SEN unit, and the handwriting is similar to some of our 7/8/9 year olds -- although they would write much more.

Agapornis · 06/04/2024 19:55

I found something similar written by 5 year old me recently (a note saying mummy, I have not been naughty Grin). I went to primary abroad and like your DD, had started to learn to read and write before it was taught in school (year 3/age 6).

I had to learn joined-up writing and it wasn't a problem, just slightly modified letters (open b & p etc.) with connectors. Is she in a french-based education system?

windowsanddoors · 06/04/2024 19:56

Bilingualism is easy and natural for children and should be encouraged and supported in this situation. It does not 'confuse' the child, it's a great gift in life. The only thing to consider is, especially if you/the child intend to return to the UK that they can read and write well in native level & standard English. Help your child to enjoy reading in both languages at home but it may be you need to compensate subtly in the English language grammar etc as the other language will be developed in school.
You obviously don't want to name the country you live in but if you did perhaps people who live there too or know the education system they could help you more.

Princesscounsuelabananahammock · 06/04/2024 19:58

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 19:41

The spelling is out of whack with the writing itself. Lots of us noted that; but OP has explained she has tried to limit the handwriting instruction which does go some way to explain this.

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule though with kids this age. However much you do or don't push them they concentrate on what they're interested in so it's perfectly feasible that a child might spell and read well but not be that interested in writing neat as a pin. I'd say at this age that this is nothing to worry about and you're far more likely to keep them engaged by not pushing a specific agenda but going with their interests as best you can.

If OP's child isn't that interested in letter formation right now I'd be trying to engage him in other activities which maintain his fine motor skills eg lego/crafts/drawing and the writing will come when he matures. As I said in my OP I'm not sure what (if any) OP's concern is really

BrownTroutBlues · 06/04/2024 19:59

5 I think.
However if they’ve been taught writing at nursery then possibly 4.

mathanxiety · 06/04/2024 20:00

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 19:48

Yes. I’ve read lots about this. Apparently the brain is naturally developed to the point it is ready to receive these skills only by around 6. They then do it in a fraction of the time and tend to have better long term outcomes.

I have seen this in the US, where reading is the focus in 1st grade, with children aged 6-turning-7. They do a certain amount of very basic phonics in kindergarten (5-6). Some kids pick up reading earlier, but the 1st grade approach is a case of striking while the iron is hot.

DisabledDemon · 06/04/2024 20:01

Looks like 4 to me, possibly 5. Have they just lost a pet and been told that their dog is in doggyland? If so, 10/10 for imagination.

BertieBotts · 06/04/2024 20:02

My DS2 is 5.5 and couldn't write this - we are also abroad and he's not at school yet. He won't go until he is seven.

Chillyboots · 06/04/2024 20:04

On first impression, I'd say 4 but I work in education (currently in secondary) and we still have pupils who write like this. The kisses and pictures give away the fact that it's a small child but if it were just to writing, it would be much harder to say!

mathanxiety · 06/04/2024 20:04

@Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday

Please stop reading the dreaded Biff and Chip books and start on proper reading material.

EatingTillIDie · 06/04/2024 20:05

Looks exactly like how my 4 year old writes, but she couldn't work out how to write those words herself unless I told her each letter, or wrote it out for her to copy. She did her y exactly like that until I told her to make the tail come towards her, which she now does. She can only write her name, mummy and daddy independently.

Prunesqualler · 06/04/2024 20:05

Oxford reading tree states

Stage 5 for ages 5.5 to 6 yr olds.
Stage 6 for ages 6.5 to 7yr olds etc

Chillyboots · 06/04/2024 20:05

mathanxiety · 06/04/2024 20:04

@Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday

Please stop reading the dreaded Biff and Chip books and start on proper reading material.

This!

I hate those bloody things!

Aglassaday · 06/04/2024 20:06

Reception age 4-5

Do I get a prize if I’m right? 😆

Princesscounsuelabananahammock · 06/04/2024 20:14

Chillyboots · 06/04/2024 20:05

This!

I hate those bloody things!

They're not meant for the parents to enjoy though they're meant to improve the child's reading skills! I'm not an educator but I can see that for this they're well designed. I always read dd's school reading books with her at least a couple of times. I check her understanding and chat to her about the book and go over any words she's finding tricky. We read lots of other books for fun and I sometimes check her comprehension with these which I do think is really important for broadening understanding and enjoyment of reading. However I do think there's a place for biff, chip and kipper however bloody annoying we might find them