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What age would you put this child at?

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Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 12:04

For writing etc? Any teachers to give feedback would also be very helpful 🙏

What age would you put this child at?
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muddyford · 06/04/2024 20:15

4 or 5

ClaireRed · 06/04/2024 20:44

Looks like my 4 (almost 5) year olds writing

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 20:45

@mathanxiety What’s wrong with them? I quite like them 😁

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tennesseewhiskey1 · 06/04/2024 20:58

Surely it varies from child to child - I would guess that was done by a 4-5 year old. With regards to reading - I think it’s very hard to compare this - mine were very early readers, but it all evens out and I didn’t think they were anything etc - just early readers.

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 21:01

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 20:45

@mathanxiety What’s wrong with them? I quite like them 😁

I do too! The ones for older children ( time chronicles) are quite readable really!

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 21:03

Justinkase · 06/04/2024 19:38

I have a 3 nearly 4 year old who can ‘write’ like this when copying and led by me as to what letter to do best. But she literally just copies, she has no idea what she is actually writing! Other than her name (and a few random letters that she knows) she can’t actually write any words independently yet. She would probably copy a Y in the same way!

It looks to me like copying too but I suppose if OP has held back on the formal handwriting instruction that’s pretty much what it is!

lostinaforeigncountry · 06/04/2024 21:03

mathanxiety · 06/04/2024 20:04

@Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday

Please stop reading the dreaded Biff and Chip books and start on proper reading material.

Biff and Chip are fantastic for kids to learn to read - they introduce concepts in the right order, are comprehensive, give adequate practice and repetition and the grammar and punctuation is perfect, and so that is all learned naturally. The series goes right up to the more advanced stories such as the time chronicle ones which introduce interesting and accurate historical facts and concepts - eg there is one about the enigma decoding machine and another about how zero was introduced into maths. Reading them will allow the child to go on to read pretty much anything they wish to, with the help of a dictionary.

A lot better than most of the stuff aimed at kids nowadays. And gives a much better grounding of grammar and spelling.

Bring back Biff and Chip for all schools!

Princesscounsuelabananahammock · 06/04/2024 21:03

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 21:01

I do too! The ones for older children ( time chronicles) are quite readable really!

The one about the drunk horse is an absolute classic 🤣 I honestly don't know what they were thinking with that one...

lostinaforeigncountry · 06/04/2024 21:05

It is almost impossible to find the Biff and Chip series or Time Chronicles etc on Amazon or ebay these days - where can you buy them?

costabel · 06/04/2024 21:07

Year 1

costabel · 06/04/2024 21:10

Mine is year 1 summer born, also biff and kipper 4. She's OK op, exactly where she should be, don't worry. In the UK.

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 21:13

@Calliopespa Not copied text, she won’t let me do that anyway as wants to do it all herself (her words) she’s a child who can’t be told (my parents would say ‘I wonder where she gets that from 😂)

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Temushopper · 06/04/2024 21:16

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 17:42

The people saying 3 or 4, are you basing this just on the writing/picture? It seems insane a child could do this at 3, my Dd was nowhere near ready for any of it

I remember my boss at the time (based in in South America) seeing this at and being surprised by it as they don’t start writing as early but this was my 3 year in her nursery year. She’d have been not quite 3 1/2 at the time and she most likely copied it to send with me on the trip as I was away for my birthday. It took ages before her writing was any better and frankly it’s still messy now so being able to write something at 3 is no guarantee you’ll actually be good at it.

What age would you put this child at?
Okaaaay · 06/04/2024 21:27

Hopefully the tonne of replies are helpful OP - I don’t think this is a worry at all. I have a UK educated 4 and 7 year old. I guessed 5 from the picture. My 7 year old’s writing wasn’t good until 6.5 and her spelling is still dodgy. My 4 year old can’t hold a pen properly or write his name legibly. They are both bright kids (top third of respective classes). I wouldn’t be concerned in the slightest with this.

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 21:29

@Okaaaay Thank you 🙏yes everyone has been a great help, it’s just difficult to know not being in the U.K.

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HumphreyCushionintheHouse · 06/04/2024 21:31

I’m in the US, my kids all went thru the US school system. My DD and DSs both had writing like that at 6. In the US, they baby the kids in Kindergarten, and proper writing instruction doesn’t happen until 1st grade.

They’re now a tween and 20somethings, and have perfectly lovely handwriting.

Some countries do writing practice at a later pace than other countries. Certainly for my kids, I saw the difference between my children’s education and the UK was quite noticeable. Kindergarten was still a lot of play, circle time, colouring, and the UK cousins were doing more seat work, writing.

TheMadGardener · 06/04/2024 21:31

It's similar to what our reception children are writing, though some are better. Our Year 1s at school (who will be Year 2 in September) mostly have pretty good handwriting, starting to join up, writing in sentences using noun phrases, commas. They're really good this year. A couple with fine motor skills difficulties have more immature handwriting. We use Read Write Inc for reading/spelling/phonics. Most of our Year 1s are moving on to the Blue level of RWI after Easter. A lot of British schools now use the RWI reading books so you might want to look at their website.

ssd · 06/04/2024 21:32

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Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 21:34

If research has shown that 6/7 is the optimal age to start reading/writing, why don’t the U.K. look at this? I know my Dd still prefers to be playing all day basically

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greengreyblue · 06/04/2024 21:37

Only read first post. I’m a TA in KS1. That could be anywhere between Reception and Y2. Would be a good Reception and low Y2.Better than average spelling of ‘one’ and ‘you’ and ‘mummy’ would lean towards y1 and 2.

greengreyblue · 06/04/2024 21:45

Those saying their child could copy and write like that is meaningless. Copying means nothing. It’s just mark making. It’s more relevant if it’s independent sounding out and writing.

lostinaforeigncountry · 06/04/2024 21:45

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 21:34

If research has shown that 6/7 is the optimal age to start reading/writing, why don’t the U.K. look at this? I know my Dd still prefers to be playing all day basically

Because the UK is crazily incompetent when it comes to policies for everything and that includes education - badly researched, badly implemented. When it comes to how we have taught English to our children in the last 50 years, insanely incompetent. Which is why we are the only developed country with 55 - 65 year olds having higher levels of literacy then school leavers. Pretty darn scary really.

SkyBloo · 06/04/2024 21:48

Depends how much support/input from an adult.

End of reception relatively strong. Its all spelled well, including "you" not "yoo" etc

Or first term year 1.

VaccineSticker · 06/04/2024 21:49

Reception or year 1

SkyBloo · 06/04/2024 21:49

Lostinaforeigncountry
Eh? But loads of kids are ready to start reading at 4. My DC is late aug and has been absolutely fine with reception phonics & writing curriculum.