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What age would you put this child at?

452 replies

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 12:04

For writing etc? Any teachers to give feedback would also be very helpful 🙏

What age would you put this child at?
OP posts:
WittiestUsernameEver · 06/04/2024 18:11

LindorDoubleChoc · 06/04/2024 18:07

Things have changed a lot in English education if people are thinking this is written by a 3 or 4 year old! My dd was considered very advanced in her reception class and couldn't have written anything like as well as this. She was born in 2001. I worry that we are putting too much pressure on our children way too young now.

There's no way a 3 year old wrote this. The people insinuating this are just being silly.

As if they're all working in preschools and this is common for a 3 rising 4... It just isn't.
It's a 5-7 year olds writing. With it being most likely a older 5-6 years old.

Kalevala · 06/04/2024 18:11

WhatTheFuckIsThat · 06/04/2024 18:08

About 3 or 4, but I know one woman who reckons her son "taught himself to read" at 2, so he was probably writing essays at 4

Early reading doesn't necessarily mean early writing. DN was a self taught reader at three (as was I) but is still working on holding a pencil properly in reception and doesn't like to even draw or colour in.

Tomatina · 06/04/2024 18:11

Three to five. Love the cat!

Supergirl1958 · 06/04/2024 18:11

cheesychip · 06/04/2024 17:53

My point was no one forms letters correctly when they're learning - a goal is just that. something to work towards. Learning isn't not being taught correctly, it's the freedom to explore and discover and practise. Her husband seemed to be saying no child should do that, they should not write until perfect. Utter tosh. This end of the year that could easily be a reception child who would go on to have lovely handwriting once they've explored the letters and shapes they can make. There is a route to the goals that needs supporting. It's not a learning statement that is expected and therefore happens. You scaffold first and support and encourage and then they will reach the goal still believing they can🙄

I didn’t take it to mean that at all. If your DCs were not being taught the curriculum they are following correctly by their teacher, how would you respond. Having read parts of the thread I have deduced the Ops child isn’t taught in the UK, so it may well be that the child doesn’t have to have learned the correct letter formation for the curriculum they follow. I’m with the posters husband on this. When I teach letter formation (which I do daily) I make it clear I don’t have the best handwriting but encourage my children to try their best, just because they are reception doesn’t mean my teaching is any less important than if they were in Year 6! I still have a curriculum (which includes correct letter formation) to follow! Yes we let kids be kids, but if we don’t teach them correctly means we are setting them up to fail. Whether correct letter formation should be part of the early curriculum is another matter, but it is and therefore, we have to be honest with the OP.

Sugargliderwombat · 06/04/2024 18:13

LindorDoubleChoc · 06/04/2024 18:07

Things have changed a lot in English education if people are thinking this is written by a 3 or 4 year old! My dd was considered very advanced in her reception class and couldn't have written anything like as well as this. She was born in 2001. I worry that we are putting too much pressure on our children way too young now.

We are and it's scary the amount of primary teachers saying this is a classic 3 or 4 year old, it's not.

RheaRend · 06/04/2024 18:13

legallyblond · 06/04/2024 12:13

Just showed DH who is a primary school teacher. He says if that child is in reception (age 4-5) they’ve not been taught writing the correct / standard way taught in English schools. The letter formation is badly incorrect and they teach correct letter formation from day 1 in reception. He therefore guesses pre school self / incorrectly taught…

They teach correct formation but kids do not master it from day one especially those with poor fine motor skills.

RuthW · 06/04/2024 18:13

3-4

Anonymous2025 · 06/04/2024 18:14

3 maybe 4

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/04/2024 18:15

NO 3-4 YEAR OLD (EG PRE-SCHOOLERS) ARE WRITING LIKE THIS....!

#MumsnetMadness

midlifeattheoasis · 06/04/2024 18:15

Bearintheredhat · 06/04/2024 12:08

I would say that child hasn’t been taught writing in an English school?

I agree

Mmmm19 · 06/04/2024 18:17

4-6 - it’s so a range and they come on at different points. Edit to say late nursery class, reception or year 1. If late year 1 or 2 in uk I think it would be flagged and given extra support. Mine is half way through year 2 and handwriting unrecognisable to a year ago with a bit of support from school. I’ve no idea if it was necessary at this age or not though

Supergirl1958 · 06/04/2024 18:18

Sugargliderwombat · 06/04/2024 18:13

We are and it's scary the amount of primary teachers saying this is a classic 3 or 4 year old, it's not.

In fairness I’m a teacher. I don’t personally think 3-4 but I’m an eyfs teacher with over 19 years experience in nursery and reception. I think they are basing it on a couple of things. Firstly, the letter formation isn’t good for a nearly six year old (as we now know they are.) Secondly, they are writing in capitals in some instances and this may lead some to think that it is a copied model. 3-4 year olds are very capable of copying if they are eager and willing to learn.

IMO it’s not scary and looking at the bigger picture I can see why it’s a common conclusion.

Supergirl1958 · 06/04/2024 18:19

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/04/2024 18:15

NO 3-4 YEAR OLD (EG PRE-SCHOOLERS) ARE WRITING LIKE THIS....!

#MumsnetMadness

Do you work in a school. I’ve taught several 3-4 year olds who write like this….

RazzlePuff · 06/04/2024 18:20

Could be any age - depends on whether this “child” is typical, or has some learning differences.

Thinking OP has got some issues thinking it’s not “good enough” for the chronological age …

TadpolesInPool · 06/04/2024 18:21

My DC went to school in a country where formal reading and writing isn't started until age 6. I was a bit concerned however by the first Christmas they were reading and writing fluently! We were all amazed. Once they had started learning, there was no difference in their level compared to their cousins in England. As the DC are older, they learn a lot quicker.

Georgethecat1 · 06/04/2024 18:22

Reception or early year 1 if not great with handwriting

Cheeseychangeofname · 06/04/2024 18:24

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/04/2024 18:15

NO 3-4 YEAR OLD (EG PRE-SCHOOLERS) ARE WRITING LIKE THIS....!

#MumsnetMadness

Plenty do. Especially the older/September born ones.

Kalevala · 06/04/2024 18:25

WittiestUsernameEver · 06/04/2024 18:15

NO 3-4 YEAR OLD (EG PRE-SCHOOLERS) ARE WRITING LIKE THIS....!

#MumsnetMadness

I'm sure some are. DN could spell those words at 4 but wouldn't write them. DS could write legibly at 3 but not spell.

It's the handwriting that is throwing people off as it looks copied, not correctly taught, so people are assuming it's a gifted younger child.

Isitovernow123 · 06/04/2024 18:25

Seen worse in 16 year olds

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 18:26

LindorDoubleChoc · 06/04/2024 18:07

Things have changed a lot in English education if people are thinking this is written by a 3 or 4 year old! My dd was considered very advanced in her reception class and couldn't have written anything like as well as this. She was born in 2001. I worry that we are putting too much pressure on our children way too young now.

I think it has changed. Mine are about 15 years younger and this would be typical for a four year old.

WimbyAce · 06/04/2024 18:27

Cbeebiesisdifferentonasaturday · 06/04/2024 17:42

The people saying 3 or 4, are you basing this just on the writing/picture? It seems insane a child could do this at 3, my Dd was nowhere near ready for any of it

I was thinking the same!

Calliopespa · 06/04/2024 18:28

Kalevala · 06/04/2024 18:25

I'm sure some are. DN could spell those words at 4 but wouldn't write them. DS could write legibly at 3 but not spell.

It's the handwriting that is throwing people off as it looks copied, not correctly taught, so people are assuming it's a gifted younger child.

Yeah some definitely are . Summer children start school just after they turn 4.

But it’s needless haste.

90s · 06/04/2024 18:29

4-5. In early years foundation stage profile that would meet the standards for end of reception as it is readable with some letters formed

Emotionalsupportviper · 06/04/2024 18:31

4-5

Couchpotato3 · 06/04/2024 18:32

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, but just coming on to say that it sounds like you are doing a great job with encouraging your DC to enjoy reading and writing. As long as her handwriting is legible, does it really matter terribly if the letter formation isn't quite what would be taught in the UK at this stage? She is gaining a huge life skill /advantage in acquiring a second language that will surely outweigh a slight issue with her handwriting (if any) in later years.