Photo ID to vote is a flagrant cladding attack

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You will need photo ID to vote in the general election this year. This won't be a problem for me personally as I have it, but many of the people where I grew up are too poor to drive or travel abroad. Many people in this country don't have valid photo ID, and they shouldn't have to to shell out a significant amount of money they likely don't have in order to cast their vote. An absolutely flagrant attack on the poor and otherwise deprived.

The title is supposed to read classist, not cladding.

😂

Laugh it up, hypocrite. I certainly find it funny how you think you’re morally superior despite being a wannabe tax avoider. 🤣

People have had a year to sort the ID out

They shouldn’t have to. It’s completely unnecessary.

I only knew about the voting card because of this thread.
I don't watch TV or listen to the radio and I haven't seen anything while reading the newspapers.
I have received an email telling me I'm eligible. I did the form online on the 4th and got the email back on the 5th. I should receive it in the next 5 working days.

But it is necessary (for them).
Why are people so militant about it?
A year’s grace to apply online for free ID.
Hardly an onerous concept.

That is, as it stands, largely irrelevant. We need ID, I shouldn't have to pay for my green waste to be collected, but yet if I want it collected then I have to pay. You want to vote, you need ID.

The aim should be that people who haven't got ID are supported to do so. Oh and applying for a larger waste bin with my 'large' family was much more of a chew then applying for the ID, yet I'm sure many of my fellow townspeople will find time for that.

It wouldn't matter if the government employed an army of angels to personally deliver photo ID to every household, just in case someone there didn't already have it, along with a gift wrapped hamper of luxury foods and a free pedigree puppy. Some people are always going to find a reason why it's problematic.

It makes you wonder, honestly, what their real motive is for arguing so strenuously against something that in most other countries is just accepted as the absolute norm.

It makes you wonder, honestly, what their real motive is for arguing so strenuously against something that in most other countries is just accepted as the absolute norm.

What do you think my real motive might be? Something to do with voting being a right perhaps? A right hard fought for in the case of women and the least affluent in our society. It makes me wonder what the real motive is for arguing for something that is of no benefit whatsoever, seeks to solve a nonexistent problem and impedes democracy. 14,000 people were deprived of their vote in last year’s local elections.

We know what motivated its introduction by the current government, they haven’t even attempted to hide it. Just as they’ve admitted it’s backfired on them.

Are you in favour of national ID cards in general @Blossomtoes ?

Why are you in favour of this?

The stats from last year are so clear:

• 395 alleged voting irregularities, of which 2 were convicted

stack that against:

• 14,000 people (at least) disenfranchised
• £12-15m cost per year

Seriously, why do you see this scheme as important or good value for the tax payer?

You act like those of us who are against it have some hidden agenda or are just being obstinate but absolutely no one has been able to explain why they think it is better to disenfranchise 14,000 people in an election where 2 people were found guilty of fraud.

2 v 14,000.

Anyone who thinks this is not just a thinly veiled attempt to stop a certain group of people voting is thick as mince.

Not particularly but that’s not relevant to this attack on democracy.

Because why is the ID needed much easier for some groups than others?

Why aren't student cards accepted? They have a photo on.

They are blatantly trying to make it easier for certain groups and require others who may not have the ID to make the effort to get some - relying on those people maybe not making that effort.

It's blatantly trying to make changes that help the Tories. And it's coming back to bite them.

Democracy should be for everyone

Aren’t the types of ID accepted, Government linked ID eg national bus pass for pensioners

Maybe there is a difference in what ID is needed to obtain the different forms of photo ID that people use. The older persons and disabled bus pass may need more ID to get one

It is you that is saying the poor are lazy then? There are plenty of poor and non poor people who work 12 and 13 hour shifts at a time and funnily enough, they still manage to keep up with life admin. You asked if it was unreasonable for people to have to she'll out for ID to vote, and have been told there is a solution, but you are now going on and on about people stocking shelves and being carers not having the time. That isn't what you asked, and people are answering the original question you asked, so stop changing it.

The thread has moved on fairly significantly in the last 20 odd pages.

Although, strangely, people seem fixated on taking offence over OPs (imo clumsily worded) discussion of pressures faced by time and money poor people, and no-one is willing to answer why they think it’s ok to disenfranchise 14,000+ people to prevent 2 votes being fraudulently cast.

Maybe you can explain why you support voter ID?

No ID needed for older people’s bus passes. You fill in an online form and attach a photo - that photo could be anyone.

https://www.wymetro.com/tickets-and-passes/senior-pass/

Not true, you also need a valid passport or drivers license.

Or in person all this and something with your address on.

That’s London. The process for getting my bus pass was exactly as I described. No id needed, it was all online.

Sums it up.

Its west Yorkshire it says so at the bottom.

Where did you get your senior bus pass from then.

I was wrong, that appears to be Yorkshire, my point still stands - I didn’t need photo ID to get my bus pass. It clearly varies by local authority.

missmollygreen · 06/04/2024 19:31
Anyone who thinks this is not just a thinly veiled attempt to stop a certain group of people voting is thick as mince”

Is this government not shooting itself in the foot if that’s the intention? Several posters have mentioned pensioners/elderly having difficulty. A large part of its constituent, would have thought?