Photo ID to vote is a flagrant cladding attack

[Pireck]

You will need photo ID to vote in the general election this year. This won't be a problem for me personally as I have it, but many of the people where I grew up are too poor to drive or travel abroad. Many people in this country don't have valid photo ID, and they shouldn't have to to shell out a significant amount of money they likely don't have in order to cast their vote. An absolutely flagrant attack on the poor and otherwise deprived.

The title is supposed to read classist, not cladding.

or perhaps, OP is right.

Awaiting your hot take on the stats.

365 alleged cases of voter fraud per year. 2.5 prosecutions, 1 caution. 66% related to campaigning, not voting. In 2022 there were 7 allegations of personation at poll stations - 7 cases dropped. 3 cases for postal votes - 1 conviction, 2 dropped. 3 cases for proxy votes - 1 prosecution, 2 dropped.

Set those 13 cases of alleged voter fraud against the stats for the voter ID scheme:

14,000+ disenfranchised in a single election by voter id requirements - not including those who didn’t try to vote or left the queue before entering the station because of voter ID requirements.

£12-15million yearly cost for voter ID scheme.

You might be cross because the OP is indeed superior of intellect to you, but set that aside and engage with the pertinent conversation, if you dare.

Seriously? The good ole USA has nothing to do with the UK shitshow. Take your shame.

And if you have the mental acuity to argue on MN you can go on the internet and sign up for id.

Sorry, but voter suppression was almost invented in the USA.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/27/supreme-court-voter-suppression-us-south-voting-advocates-election

You can, but you shouldn’t have to

There are people who literally go around the world and discuss strategies to circumvent democracy. Steve Bannon was involved in Brexit. Erdoğan comes to America to speak at conservative conferences. If a party can pinpoint a way to discourage a demographic from voting, they absolutely will and of course they've seen it work in the US.

Has the form changed?

I did this for the last election. It really was as simple as take selfie, fill in name address etc and press send. I looked at doing it via post and would have had to find 4 pieces of Id and get a form posted to me, which was a hell of a lot more intensive than online.

I do get your point about those without internet, literacy, etc. I did already complain about this being introduced. Not sure what else I can do.

Sounds like all these refuse collectors, busy nurses (of which I was one) who don’t have five minutes to apply for their ID wouldn’t have time to visit the polling station anyway! Who knew everyone was so busy!

At no point have I insulted anyone. If your ego got bruised it's probably because you brought nothing to this discussion and I kindly pointed it out.

Who knew so few people could understand the concept that the more tasks there are to complete before and action, the less likely the action is to be done. And that this will of course affect certain groups more than others (but affects everyone to some degree).

We have had the 'well, they probably won't vote anyway!' a couple of times already on this thread, which is both short sighted and offensive.

So the 'poor' are ignorant and are hopeless at multitasking but they need your wise shoulders to take that burden on and patronise, I mean speak for them, I wonder who the offensive one is really

How #bekind of you!! 😆 @Pireck (the arrogance is strong in this one!)

Do you feel suitably humbled @MrsSkylerWhite to the ops superiority?...

Your complaint is what this whole thread has been about. For some reason, a few people have popped by to say how possible it is to get ID. We are aware it is possible, we just know that not everyone will do it and don't find it acceptable that this barrier has been put in place. Voter turnout is already not great in this country. I find it hard to imagine people being turned away and for whatever reason not being able to secure photo ID.
As I have said, I can imagine many people from where I grew up (poorer UK town), who regularly vote but do not have any photo ID due largely to the deprivation of the area. Will some of them do this extra step? Probably, let's say 5 out of 10 do, and that's optimistic, since as we've discussed, the only incentive to get this free photo ID is to keep your vote, since it can't be used as ID in any other situation. 5 out of 10 of the ones without their own ID go along with their new ID and vote, all is well, excellent. Except for the other 5.
The other 5 our of 10 didn't get the photo ID. One of them hasn't even heard of needing it, because he's gone along to the polls all his life and done the same thing..People on this thread call him 'lazy.'
3 of them simply haven't found the time. They have low paid, physically, mentally and possibly emotionally demanding jobs and some of them have children. They can barely afford the essentials and every day there is stress and toil. People on this thread call them 'feckless'.
Then that brings us to the last one who didn't get voter ID. Many people on this thread won't like her. She hasn't washed in about 6 days, hasn't left the house in 4 months. She's been on the sick for 6. She's in the depts of a terrible depression because she lost her mother to cancer last year and her already difficult life has become unbearable. She has the sense that more could have been done if only the doctors had acted when her mother first conplained a few hears ago. By the time the polls come around she's started to improve and has been out more, and with a hppe that her vote for something like functional healthcare might matter, she takes herself along. Only she doesn't have photo ID, and she's turned away.

I'm not sure what some people on this thread might call her, there's been a few words thrown about. But please do have a bloody think before being so flippant on this matter.

Inaction is a thing that companies rely on.

Default settings. Being automatically opted in to something and people having to take action to opt out

Most people have ID by default. They are fine. They don't have to do anything.

But for those who don't, they have to do something. And that is something that companies rely on if they want people to stick to the default. Because it takes effort to do something. Not much effort. But some.

*See Opt out of organ donation for an example.

This.

Whole revenue streams predicated on people not being bothered clicking ‘no cookies’ on every website because it’s 2 or 3 more interactions than accepting cookies.

Not a single poster who’s taken faux offence at the OPs focus on the working class has managed to explain why they are in favour of voter ID.

The only conclusion I can come up with is that they know it’s gerrymandering designed (and thankfully probably failing) to favour the Tories.

Imagine being a Tory shill by pretending to defend the working classes. How ironic.

Its valid for ten years, use it as much as you like.

It's not been useful to me in any other way than voting as yet.
I plan to get a new passport before this voting id thing runs out.

I'm not being flippant, I in fact do care that some people wont be able to vote. I already emailed my MP about it.
You appear to only want to moan.

What is it you want from this thread?
I cant fight the system all by myself.
If you really want a change, then tell us all about your plan for change.

Hopefully it will backfire as younger people usually do have ID (they need if to get in a bar etc) and they are not likely to vote Tory.

Even posting on here is raising awareness. Making sure young people have ID and are registered - and show an interest in voting.

DS has got his first vote soon - and hopefully he will vote.

I would hope that an incoming Government would look at this and maybe change the ID needed - Ireland has much more ID available.

It’s only valid ID for voting - it doesn’t count as ID for any other purpose

Yes I know, I said as much in different words.

I can agree that the system is unnecessary and problematic, however it is here and will be for the polls next month. Turnout is likely to be low, (a bit higher if you have a local election as well) and if people are turned away, I'd rather it was now for these frankly Mickey Mouse roles, than at the general election.

All that can be done at the moment is to ensure that as many people as possible are aware of the change and have appropriate ID in their pocket when they go to vote.

There is little point in bringing hypothetical people into it, the system won't be changing. I do hope that the list of what is acceptable is looked at though.

So you're one of those posters who like to see what other threads someone has commented on and then cherry pick quotes back at them to make a point.
You missed my sympathetic comments towards the OP whose family have treated her badly and those defending older people choosing where they what to live on personal preference, rather than being close to family.
I wonder why ?
BTW, I stand by trying to get round CGT. I suspect I'm not alone, especially when you accidentally suddenly own 2 properties due to inheritance.

yeah, I chose the line where you show your massive lack of civic responsibility to point out that you are massively hypocritical on this thread when you make out like you take responsibility for yourself.

You can stand by being a tax avoider all you like, but if you try and suggest other people are less responsible than you, I’m going to call you out.

If you think I give a flying fuck if someone like you thinks I’m ’one of those posters’, you’re deluded as well as a tax avoider.

Ok, I was just letting you know because by you saying ‘as yet’ it sounded to me that perhaps you were expecting to be able to use it for non-voting ID in the future.