Photo ID to vote is a flagrant cladding attack

[Pireck]

You will need photo ID to vote in the general election this year. This won't be a problem for me personally as I have it, but many of the people where I grew up are too poor to drive or travel abroad. Many people in this country don't have valid photo ID, and they shouldn't have to to shell out a significant amount of money they likely don't have in order to cast their vote. An absolutely flagrant attack on the poor and otherwise deprived.

The title is supposed to read classist, not cladding.

If their lives are so hard then, to be honest, they’re probably not going to get themselves down to the polling station to vote anyway.

Nothing wrong with this rule - the people who cba to get an ID are the same people who wouldn’t have voted anyway, so should make no difference.

There's no such thing as a National ID document with almost negligible cost.

Some of the most pessimistic, assumption-ridden drivel I've ever read.

And I said before, this cost is up to your government.

Look, I got involved in the thread because I thought it was an interesting debate. I'm no longer game with to continue with a conversation that's getting us nowhere. As you rightly said, it's a British issue.

You’re the one assuming that these ‘hard working nurses and care workers’ won’t have an ID or be able to get one. Why the fuck not?

I'm poor, and have no money for holidays so I don't have a passport. I do have a driving licence but it's an old paper one. I'm not old enough for a bus pass. So I had no photo ID. I've also never voted Tory in all my life, and never will, so I suppose I'm one of the people this rule was sneakily aimed at, to attempt to put me off voting.
I am a stroppy old bat though and am not so easy to put off. I've got a voter ID now, it was very quick & easy to do.

It’s not free for any government.

Not a single one. Anywhere.

It might be free to the end user, but the cost of a national ID scheme is paid for by the citizens in some way.

Just about to say this. I’m still set up for postal, but can hand it in at a polling station if I want to.

Exactly, how patronising is the OP?

As i have said again, and again and again im sure some of them ARE able. But they are less LIKELY to get one as an extra task before voting, because their lives are (generally) more difficult, more expensive, more draining and at times more chaotic than people from more comfortable backgrounds.

Did you know that when you vote, it isn't only your vote that gets counted? There's actually quite a few votes. Let's imagine tbem as one big pile of votes. Now imagine this pile of votes being smaller due to extra barriers in place, begore people are able to cast their vote. I hope that makes it easier for you to picture the issue we are discussing.

After reading some of the replies on this thread, I am much more aware of how little some people understand that many different want to vote, and that some of those people live quite different lives to them. I was always aware that some people live such insular lives that they don't think much about what it might be like to be someone else, but I must admit this is one of the longest I've put up with listening to them.

If you do not have ID you are not invested in this country (or yourself). I’m glad that subset of the population can’t vote.

I will give you barrier to voting. Actual one.
Citizenship application 😂 3 min online application is a bliss.

Applying for free ID is in general not as big problem for whoever you keep trying to speak for. The 0.0001% of population that falls in into your near poverty fetish like description of poor, disabled, illiterate, adhd, confused people combo, will not be a reason to change a policy, quite frankly.

You want to do something for them? Volunteer, don't just have nonsensical arguments online.

Honestly, the whining that got on last few years is just ridiculous in UK. You have real problems. 3 min application ain't it

the people who cba to get an ID are the same people who wouldn’t have voted anyway, so should make no difference.

Are they? And you know this how? It clearly does make a difference, hence the odious Rees Mogg admitting it’s backfired.

Actually, I would absolutely go and help you when you pop down the local asda to explain to the impoverish, IDless, time poor staff how they are unable to do it and obvs don't have IDs, so you are there to save help them.

Strange how fixated everyone is on the OP’s description of potentially disenfranchised SC people.

Yet no-one at all has responded to my facts & figures about the numbers relating to alleged voter fraud (365 per year), actual people disenfranchised by not having ID in the last election (14,000+) and the cost of the scheme (£12-15m per year).

I’m becoming more convinced that not everyone should be allowed to vote - but it’s not the ones without ID I’d get rid of first.

Its very telling. There's also been no comments on my posts about why I didn't manage to apply last year (not lazy or whatever else was thrown out there) or the fact that you can manage to live in England (can't speak for the rest of the UK) without photo ID.

Weird.

I agree with you Op

Although Jacob Reece Mobb admitted after the last round of voting that while they had introduced Voter ID for this very reason it did actually bite them on the bum!

news.sky.com/story/jacob-rees-mogg-suggests-requiring-photo-id-to-vote-was-attempt-to-gerrymander-which-came-back-to-bite-tories-12881602#:~:text=%22We%20found%20the%20people%20who,system%20that%20worked%20perfectly%20well.%22

So don't lose heart!

Hope it fucking works out for them…serve them right, idiots

I don't believe anything out of Mr 1895 mouth. Whether it is for or against his party.

I really don’t need to have a “wee ponder” about people who can’t be arsed to fill in a 5 minute form.

And yet they admitted that's exactly what it was 🤦‍♂️

Way to miss the point 🤦‍♂️