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Any other Christians annoyed at what society has turned Easter into?

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Opol · 31/03/2024 14:20

I’m resigned that the same has been done to Christmas. But for me that is “only” the birth of Christ.

As a Roman Catholic, Easter is of far more importance to me. For me, God’s love for humanity meant he sacrificed his only son. Jesus’ resurrection is literally the embodiment of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil etc.

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

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StaunchMomma · 31/03/2024 22:48

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

Eggs and rabbits ARE traditions of this country.

Pre- Christianity ones!

You can't re-write history.

SpeedyDrama · 31/03/2024 22:51

Justpontificating · 31/03/2024 22:44

Your dc is telling you that because it’s part of the curriculum. They’ll be coming home one day telling you the same about other religions because the curriculum in England ( if you’re in England) includes many other religions. Teaching it hopefully advances knowledge and respect for the beliefs of others.

My kids went to high church cathedral schools and have never been told they have to believe in anything. Never been forced to bow and scrape , as it were, in praise for any God. If your kids teachers are telling them to say things they fell uncomfortable with then complain, that’s not part of the curriculum. I suspect, however your dc saying
‘ I believe in God and heaven ‘. May well have been in a lesson teaching the point of and words of the creed. ie - ‘I believe in one God the Father of the Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth etc etc etc ‘. The words sound similar. Perhaps you might wish to follow this up with the school so they can explain.

Also
Christians spouting off to others about Jesus and God anywhere other than in church or on the internet in anon forums like MN is very very rare.

Learning about other religions as part of cultural is not the issue. Telling my child that Jesus was a real person (and he was adamant, he has never said anyone else from religious literature is real) is not part of the school curriculum. As for my other son, he had no conversational speech due to autism and delays. For him to say ‘I believe in god’ would require someone getting him to repeat it several times with no actual understanding of the concept. Certainly no reading complex script. You’re undermining how evangelical people can be even when they don’t believe themselves to be.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 31/03/2024 22:52

Namechangeywangeyhangey · 31/03/2024 20:04

I remember as a child wondering why we made so much of Christmas when Easter is way more important for those of the Christian faith. It doesn't really bother me OP, I'm just glad it's being celebrated even in the pagan sense, having said that Iceland putting ticks instead of the crosses on some of their buns can get in the sea!

Makes for a fun tic-tac-toe game, though.

cakeorwine · 31/03/2024 23:01

Calls grow to disestablish Church of England as Christians become minority | Census | The Guardian

But secularists and others now want an end to the Church of England’s position as an established church which requires King Charles to make an oath to preserve the Church of England, guarantees Church of England bishops and archbishops 26 seats in the House of Lords, and means state schools can be required to hold Christian worship.

Vernon Bogdanor, professor of government at King’s College London, said the results make the argument for keeping Church of England leaders in the House of Lords “more difficult to justify” and “raises the issue of the disestablishment of the Church of England”.
“Some will argue that there should not be an established church which represents only a minority of the population,” he said. “Others will respond that the archbishops and bishops seek to represent all faiths, bringing a different perspective to the Lords and that the system works.’”

The Archbishop of York, Stephen Cottrell, indicated that the Church knows it faces a struggle to arrest the decline, saying it “throws down a challenge to us, not only to trust that God will build his kingdom on Earth, but also to play our part in making Christ known”.

Lynne Cullens, the Bishop of Barking, insisted the church should not feel “defeated”. “We are like the Nike tick,” she said. “We have to go down before we go up. We will evolve into a church more attuned to the worshipping needs of the communities as they are today.”

Calls grow to disestablish Church of England as Christians become minority

Role of church in parliament and schools questioned as census shows 5.5m fewer holders of faith in England and Wales

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/29/calls-grow-to-disestablish-church-of-england-as-christians-become-minority

merrymonthofmay · 31/03/2024 23:01

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 31/03/2024 14:32

The thing is though is that there are different 'actual' reasons for celebrating at this time of year - the xtain aspect is one of them, and xtians are still free to mark that, it's just that we no longer force others who don't believe to mark any of it. Have a lovely day, do what matters to you, be that jumping for joy, quiet reflection, snaffling some choccie, walking the dog, playing with the kids/grandkids, chilling. There are no rules that we all have to follow because we live in a democracy, where religion or no faith, are both permitted.

Just WTF is a xtian?!

DanielGault · 31/03/2024 23:10

merrymonthofmay · 31/03/2024 23:01

Just WTF is a xtian?!

Christian. Like Christmas being Xmas I assume.

1dayatatime · 31/03/2024 23:10

@StaunchMomma

Given that the first chocolate Easter egg was produced by Cadbury's in 1875 I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim it's a pre Christian tradition.

Instead the association between eggs and Easter is a Christian one and arose in western Europe during the Middle Ages as a result of the fact that Catholic Christians were prohibited from eating eggs during Lent, but were allowed to eat them when Easter arrived.

As for rabbits the association between Easter and the Easter bunny is again a Christian one started by the German Lutherans.

Moonmelodies · 31/03/2024 23:12

1dayatatime · 31/03/2024 23:10

@StaunchMomma

Given that the first chocolate Easter egg was produced by Cadbury's in 1875 I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim it's a pre Christian tradition.

Instead the association between eggs and Easter is a Christian one and arose in western Europe during the Middle Ages as a result of the fact that Catholic Christians were prohibited from eating eggs during Lent, but were allowed to eat them when Easter arrived.

As for rabbits the association between Easter and the Easter bunny is again a Christian one started by the German Lutherans.

Eggs were made by hens long before that.

Flopsy145 · 31/03/2024 23:13

IloveAslan · 31/03/2024 22:42

I presume Easter has been celebrated as long as people from Europe have lived here. Ostara as a word would not have existed here before then.

All I am saying is that while we have Easter eggs, and bunnies put in an appearance, no-one for one minute thinks we are celebrating the arrival of spring. It is simply a celebration of Easter.

But what we use to celebrate "Easter" is actually taken from ostara/spring equinox, so by using these things people are by default celebrating spring (bunnies, eggs, spring flowers). I for one use it to celebrate the arrival of spring and ostara as I do not believe or agree in the Christian Easter. Easter has been celebrated under that name since the Christians arrived and piggy backed on an existing pagan holiday which was about spring, so the Christians then taking it to other countries where it wasn't spring at that time is how these now non springtime countries celebrate Easter. Ostara would have been celebrated in different ways across northern Europe for many centuries before.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 31/03/2024 23:15

I think most of the major Christian holidays have connections to pagan celebrations and many non-Christian cultures have similar celebrations. So yes, yabu.

merrymonthofmay · 31/03/2024 23:15

DanielGault · 31/03/2024 23:10

Christian. Like Christmas being Xmas I assume.

Thank you, that's what I assumed - flipping disrespectful though!

benefitstaxcredithelp · 31/03/2024 23:16

Opol · 31/03/2024 14:20

I genuinely wish I didn’t find it offensive but I just do.

Everybody is offended by something these days….

Society hasn’t ‘turned Easter into something’. Easter is the spring festival of our ancient ancestors and culture which was all about new life, fertility and the return/rebirth of spring. Eggs, chicks, bunnies, lambs, nature, new life etc.

Christianity piggybacked the Easter tale onto Ostara as it did with Yule (Xmas), Imbolc (Candlemas), Samhain/Halloween (All Hallows Eve) amongst others.

SpeedyDrama · 31/03/2024 23:17

merrymonthofmay · 31/03/2024 23:15

Thank you, that's what I assumed - flipping disrespectful though!

How is it disrespectful? It’s a traditional Christian script using the X…

merrymonthofmay · 31/03/2024 23:21

SpeedyDrama · 31/03/2024 23:17

How is it disrespectful? It’s a traditional Christian script using the X…

It's missing out the most important part! (which was clearly deliberate here).

Wellhellooooodear · 31/03/2024 23:24

I mean, I'm more pissed off about how the Catholic Church covered up child sexual abuse, but yeah, I guess chocolate eggs are also outrageous 🙄

SpeedyDrama · 31/03/2024 23:24

merrymonthofmay · 31/03/2024 23:21

It's missing out the most important part! (which was clearly deliberate here).

But ‘X’ is old script for the anglicised ‘Christ’. It’s one thing to be offended by atheists and a negative view of religion, but being offended by using perfectly valid words within the Christian context is a bit much.

1dayatatime · 31/03/2024 23:26

@Moonmelodies

"Eggs were made by hens long before that."

I think you'll find that the hens were made first before the eggs.

Elphame · 31/03/2024 23:28

Justpontificating · 31/03/2024 18:42

The country is Church of England.
We are not a Secular country
we are a Christian country, still!

Not in Wales.

The Anglican church does not have the same status and England is only part of the UK.

1dayatatime · 31/03/2024 23:30

@SpeedyDrama

Using xtian instead of Christian is neither common practice, edgy or cool. Instead it just looks knobby, provocative and lazy.

DanielGault · 31/03/2024 23:32

1dayatatime · 31/03/2024 23:30

@SpeedyDrama

Using xtian instead of Christian is neither common practice, edgy or cool. Instead it just looks knobby, provocative and lazy.

To you. Apparently it's perfectly fine for others. There goes that 'sensitive' faith again.

Barquentine · 31/03/2024 23:32

cakeorwine · 31/03/2024 22:23

We have an Established Church with the Monarch as Head of the Church of England

It's because we have a collective act of daily worship.

It's because of the role of the C of E in our National Life - Remembrance, Coronation

So I would say it has quite a role in our national life

The full text of the Coronation Oath of King Charles III - Country Life

"Our Majesty, the Church established by law, whose settlement you will swear to maintain, is committed to the true profession of the Gospel, and, in so doing, will seek to foster an environment in which people of all faiths and beliefs may live freely. The Coronation Oath has stood for centuries and is enshrined in law."

Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England?
And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?

I Charles do solemnly and sincerely in the presence of God profess, testify, and declare that I am a faithful Protestant, and that I will, according to the true intent of the enactments which secure the Protestant succession to the Throne, uphold and maintain the said enactments to the best of my powers according to law.

And what’s the point here.
How is any of that causing harm to this country.

SpeedyDrama · 31/03/2024 23:35

1dayatatime · 31/03/2024 23:30

@SpeedyDrama

Using xtian instead of Christian is neither common practice, edgy or cool. Instead it just looks knobby, provocative and lazy.

OK, if you say so. I mean no one seems to actually agree on how to say or spell Jesus Christ anyway despite it being so important it’s caused more offence here.

Codlingmoths · 31/03/2024 23:37

As a Catholic, when I see people say this kind of thing I always wonder what they regularly do in society to help others less fortunate and show the world what being Christian means.

teacheroffsick · 31/03/2024 23:39

Opol · 31/03/2024 14:20

I’m resigned that the same has been done to Christmas. But for me that is “only” the birth of Christ.

As a Roman Catholic, Easter is of far more importance to me. For me, God’s love for humanity meant he sacrificed his only son. Jesus’ resurrection is literally the embodiment of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil etc.

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

Everyone has the right to celebrate this time of year however they wish to. Your views on Easter are not more important than other people's. You do you and don't waste your time being annoyed at other people

DanielGault · 31/03/2024 23:39

Codlingmoths · 31/03/2024 23:37

As a Catholic, when I see people say this kind of thing I always wonder what they regularly do in society to help others less fortunate and show the world what being Christian means.

OP is light on detail in that regard alright v🤔