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Any other Christians annoyed at what society has turned Easter into?

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Opol · 31/03/2024 14:20

I’m resigned that the same has been done to Christmas. But for me that is “only” the birth of Christ.

As a Roman Catholic, Easter is of far more importance to me. For me, God’s love for humanity meant he sacrificed his only son. Jesus’ resurrection is literally the embodiment of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil etc.

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

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DanielGault · 31/03/2024 18:58

VolvoFan · 31/03/2024 18:57

It makes the whole argument moot and a waste of time. So why even participate?

Because you asked?

PrincessTeaSet · 31/03/2024 18:58

SpeedyDrama · 31/03/2024 17:42

Humanity can’t cope without a belief system. No matter how far we come with science, logic and discovery, people always find something that requires full immersion of belief and faith to hold on to. This absolute need to think there is something ‘beyond’ ourselves whilst ironically created from the human ego that makes us think we are more ‘special’ than any other creature on earth. There will always be these beliefs systems even ‘in this day and age’, if not religious then a cult or societal theology. People can’t help themselves it seems.

Modern belief systems include money, nation states, human rights etc. We have plenty of beliefs as modern humans. That's why we can increasingly cope without religion - we have other things to take its place

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 31/03/2024 18:58

cakeorwine · 31/03/2024 18:45

Just because we have a State Religion does not mean that most people in the UK are Christian.

With the biased question in the Census, the data is

Religion, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

  • For the first time in a census of England and Wales, less than half of the population (46.2%, 27.5 million people) described themselves as “Christian”, a 13.1 percentage point decrease from 59.3% (33.3 million) in 2011; despite this decrease, “Christian” remained the most common response to the religion question.
  • “No religion” was the second most common response, increasing by 12.0 percentage points to 37.2% (22.2 million) from 25.2% (14.1 million) in 2011.

So please explain when most people in this country are NOT Christian, why is this a Christian country?

The UK is a "Christian country" because of the huge significance Christianity has in shaping Western culture.

I'm not a Christian but would say I'm a Cultural Christian meaning I'm a nonreligious or non-practicing Christian who received Christian values and appreciates Christian culture. My cultural life in the sense of music and art would be very diminished if Christianity were removed.

Noseybookworm · 31/03/2024 18:59

Opol · 31/03/2024 14:20

I’m resigned that the same has been done to Christmas. But for me that is “only” the birth of Christ.

As a Roman Catholic, Easter is of far more importance to me. For me, God’s love for humanity meant he sacrificed his only son. Jesus’ resurrection is literally the embodiment of the victory of light over darkness, good over evil etc.

I don’t wish to gate keep but seeing it reduced to Easter baskets and chocolate rabbits is unpleasant to witness. I’m more annoyed at society making everything hollow and superficial via consumerism and over consumption.

Why does it bother you how other people choose to live their lives and how/what they choose to celebrate? Get on with celebrating in your own way and stop worrying about what others are doing!

cakeorwine · 31/03/2024 19:00

My cultural life in the sense of music and art would be very diminished if Christianity were removed

Why would disestablishing mean Christianity was removed?
Last time I checked, we have many faiths in this country who are still very active.

Sillypede · 31/03/2024 19:00

ExSJA · 31/03/2024 18:56

why though. I’d get rid of both quite happily.

Yep, and get the 26 Lords Spiritual out of our second chamber of Government while we're at it.

ImInTheBathRightNow · 31/03/2024 19:01

DeanElderberry · 31/03/2024 18:57

No medieval historians give Bede's theory (never heard of again until the Brothers Grimm come along and quote him in the 19th century) any credence.

Is that it? Some shit off Google but no apology for the rest of your ranting?

So you’re here demanding people respect your religion but sod everyone else’s beliefs? You can call them made up but we all have to adhere to your feelings?

What an advocate for the Christian faith you are.

VolvoFan · 31/03/2024 19:01

DanielGault · 31/03/2024 18:58

Because you asked?

Did I? Too many posts on this thread to sift through. Can you please confirm I asked?

ExSJA · 31/03/2024 19:01

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 31/03/2024 18:58

The UK is a "Christian country" because of the huge significance Christianity has in shaping Western culture.

I'm not a Christian but would say I'm a Cultural Christian meaning I'm a nonreligious or non-practicing Christian who received Christian values and appreciates Christian culture. My cultural life in the sense of music and art would be very diminished if Christianity were removed.

You win the Word Salad award of the day.

cakeorwine · 31/03/2024 19:02

Christianity as a major force in the UK is dwindling
As is support for a monarchy.

It will still exist - but will not be as influential as it is now.

It will be another religion - just like Judaism, Islam and Hinduism

SpudleyLass · 31/03/2024 19:02

I agree with you OP in regards to the overcommercialisation.

It has been quite sickening this year and I've not been able to avoid it. My very non religious family insist on sending us tatty presents and an overabundance of crap chocolate which then makes us look bad when we don't or rather can't, reciprocate.

I'm very atheist and have no time for Paganistic "goddesses" anymore than any other deities. Its all mythological woo woo to me and I would be quite happy to see it all disappear.

DanielGault · 31/03/2024 19:03

Noseybookworm · 31/03/2024 18:59

Why does it bother you how other people choose to live their lives and how/what they choose to celebrate? Get on with celebrating in your own way and stop worrying about what others are doing!

That's the thing. There doesn't seem to be an ability among some Christians to just get on with their own stuff. If it's so important, you'd move heaven and earth to worship, not being distracted by others voicing disagreement.

BashfulClam · 31/03/2024 19:05

Show me where to bible mentions Easter? Easter was a pagan fertility festival and the church high jacked it to celebrate the resurrection. Therefore eggs and rabbits are actually a proper representation of Easter which the pagans called Oestre.

GreyCarpet · 31/03/2024 19:05

Eostre is the pagan fertility goddess of humans and crops. The traditional colors of the festival are green, yellow and purple. The symbols used are hares and eggs, representing fertility (because we all know that bunnies breed like, well, rabbits) and new life.

If I cared at all, I'd be more bothered at the way the Christians piggy backed onto existing pagan festivals tbh 🤷🏻‍♀️

ExSJA · 31/03/2024 19:06

cakeorwine · 31/03/2024 19:02

Christianity as a major force in the UK is dwindling
As is support for a monarchy.

It will still exist - but will not be as influential as it is now.

It will be another religion - just like Judaism, Islam and Hinduism

Imagine what the church’s Wealth could actually achieve in this country if it weren’t all tied up in keeping fairy stories alive.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 31/03/2024 19:06

samarrange · 31/03/2024 16:51

As non-believers we don't do anything for Easter. Christmas is harder to avoid since almost everyone does it, but if that stopped tomorrow I don't think I'd be too upset either.

That said, I do find the "Ackshually it's just the Xtians hijacking a pagan festival" argument a bit weak. If you want to celebrate the arrival of spring then do it on 1 March for meteorological spring or 21 March (20 in a leap year) for astronomical spring. Choosing to have your Jesus-free bunny/chocolate related fun on a day that varies with the phases of the moon and depends on a historical assortment of bits of theology doesn't feel very secular or pagan.

Or you can go with the celtic festival of imbolg with spring starting around the 1st February.

WeAreBorg · 31/03/2024 19:09

ExSJA · 31/03/2024 18:43

I think it’s outdated to have bank holidays tied to a religion that is no longer in the majority in this country.

Maybe it’s outdated. You could start a petition to change all the holidays if bothers you?

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 31/03/2024 19:09

distinctpossibility · 31/03/2024 14:48

My daughter who believes in Jesus as the son of God (though none of the rest of us do and she's only 9) sees the hollow Easter eggs as a symbol of the emptiness of the tomb when it was opened. There are ways to find meaning within the day. We have talked about Spring and new life and how the theme of resurrection links to that.

Fingers crossed she didn't get an easter egg from Kinder this year then.

PrincessTeaSet · 31/03/2024 19:09

HÆLTHEPAIN · 31/03/2024 18:39

But they might have been had those things been available back then.

True. Humans being humans I am sure that plastic tat and fairy lights will be part of any festival where they are available. There are even Christians on this thread saying they like a bit of consumerism to go alongside the religious stuff. Could it be that humans the world over are basically the same??

theduchessofspork · 31/03/2024 19:10

Celebrate it how you want, and let other people do what they want.

For most people the chocolate bunnies and roast lamb are the trimmings of families getting together.

This isn’t shallow or meaningless and neither is it new.

theduchessofspork · 31/03/2024 19:11

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 31/03/2024 19:09

Fingers crossed she didn't get an easter egg from Kinder this year then.

😁

theduchessofspork · 31/03/2024 19:12

This is your own interpretation which is blinkered. For most people it’s about families getting together.

PeterGabrielsunderpants · 31/03/2024 19:14

The point is not that a pagan festival has been appropriated by Christianity. That sort of thing will always happen. The point is, a festival of worship, whether it be pagan, Christian or whatever, has been superceded by worship of..well, what? Materialism. Who or what do we worship now? YsL? Maccy D? Dancing on ice? Hollywood? Each man for himself and the devil take the hindmost. As a follower of Hinduism, it pains me to see negative qualities arising in our societies - greed, violence, untruth, divisiveness, lack of respect for others. What a wonderful world we would live in if Christ's teachings were embraced by the many!

kasstherito · 31/03/2024 19:15

VolvoFan · 31/03/2024 18:48

We literally have an established Church, it's called the Church of England. It has a totally woke cretin as Archbishop, but that's a symptom of a crumbling society. The monarch is the Head and supreme governor.

The country may be secular, but there is no denying that it is a Christian country.

What is it that makes the AoC a "woke cretin" and how is our society crumbling?

cakeorwine · 31/03/2024 19:17

What a wonderful world we would live in if Christ's teachings were embraced by the many

Especially by those who claim to be Christian