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Lord above some people are just... unbelievable!

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DuIcieDomum · 25/03/2024 14:29

There's an Apache MK1 final flypast today [yawn] which DP and DS (autistic, this comes under one of his special interests) have been banging on about for days. They made flasks of cocoa and set up deckchairs in one of our fields (we live on a farm) to sit and watch it. Anyway it was delayed by 45 mins so they came in to eat lunch and then went back out...to find two men sitting on the deckchairs eating sandwiches waiting for the flypast Hmm. There was a third man with a dog with them, who actually asked DP to put our dog on a lead because his dog is nervous of other dogs!!

Now, this was in our field which is private land. The field is visible from a footpath but the footpath just goes past the gate and doesn't enter the field. They just saw our deckchairs and though it looked like a nice place to go and sit.

DP said sorry but no, they'd have to take the dog out of the field if it wasn't ok with other dogs, and that he and DS wanted their deckchairs back. A bit of harrumphing and the men left but... WTF?!?

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CountAlmaviva · 28/03/2024 12:30

krustykittens · 27/03/2024 18:32

@shearwater2 Again, I am talking about Right To Roam in Scotland where open countryside, with a few exceptions, is accessible to all. At the moment, I have no right to tell someone with a dog to get out of my field. I would dearly like that, because predators and prey animals do not mix well. All people would have to do in Scotland is choose another way to walk. As fields are rotated, it wouldn't knock these walks out completely, just when animals are in the field. For instance, my winter field is only used four months of the year.

At the moment, people seem to think that their rights to recreation trump our rights to enjoy our property in peace and quiet and for our animals to be free from distress or harm on our land. For everyone who has come on this thread to say most walkers are respectful and most dog owners are responsible, that is true but what you seem to not understand is that the anti social, disrespectful minority are increasing and their impact in the last two years has been huge. People are actually changing farming habits to keep animals safe and these changes have an impact on animal welfare. All I am suggesting is adjustments to RTM to give land owners a bit more say in how people are behaving on our land.

Public awareness campaigns simply do not work, what we need is for enforceable laws, not guideline's, to be put in place that can be acted on and then having a rural police force that actually has the resources to follow up. But that is a whole other discussion!

I’m not convinced most current walkers are respectful although I appreciate people do like to say this to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

However those that aren’t will, given the general narrative, fall back on the ‘most walkers are respectful’ idea.
People who allow their dogs off lead to run amok amongst crops and animals probably think they are being respectful🤣🤣🤣. They haven’t got a clue and they just don’t care!

It would be interesting to see a survey of this.
Most walkers pre pandemic probably were but pre pandemic in the fields around us people ran and walked over crops and allowed their dogs to run amongst crops and cows. Just about everyone, all the time. Our nearest so called ‘right of way’ is now about 3metres wide with everyone churning up the ground and yet they still can’t keep to it.

dimllaishebiaith · 28/03/2024 12:46

If someone set up a picnic in the middle of tesco people would think they were mad, and would grumble if it caused queues or blocked access to getting food

Meanwhile people talk about the "private ownership" of people growing our food as if farms are private pleasure gardens that everyone should just be able to pitch up in and have a picnic in regardless of damage to land and crops

The disassociation between how the food gets from the land to the supermarkets is madness

AllTheChaos · 28/03/2024 13:22

I wish people could be charged. Eg, “right, you’ve just caused £200 of crop damage, and stressed out several sheep, here’s a £500 enforceable bill for damages!”

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 29/03/2024 13:43

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 28/03/2024 11:54

I hope it doesn't stress them out when I baa hello at them

Do they look stressed? All stare at you, stamp feet, bleat loudly together, run off?

If they ignore you, you are stressing them 😃

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 29/03/2024 13:43

Are NOT - let’s have a edit button

oakleaffy · 29/03/2024 13:46

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 29/03/2024 13:43

Are NOT - let’s have a edit button

There is an edit button - the three tiny dots on top right of box ( on laptop at least)

Edit: And on phones!

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 29/03/2024 14:50

@Ritasueandbobtoo9 no, occasionally one looks at me as if I'm idiot 😆

krustykittens · 29/03/2024 14:56

CountAlmaviva · 28/03/2024 12:30

I’m not convinced most current walkers are respectful although I appreciate people do like to say this to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

However those that aren’t will, given the general narrative, fall back on the ‘most walkers are respectful’ idea.
People who allow their dogs off lead to run amok amongst crops and animals probably think they are being respectful🤣🤣🤣. They haven’t got a clue and they just don’t care!

It would be interesting to see a survey of this.
Most walkers pre pandemic probably were but pre pandemic in the fields around us people ran and walked over crops and allowed their dogs to run amongst crops and cows. Just about everyone, all the time. Our nearest so called ‘right of way’ is now about 3metres wide with everyone churning up the ground and yet they still can’t keep to it.

Funnily enough, the people who poisoned my ponies assured me they would never dream of feeding them when I asked them not too, out on a walk, and explained why. They also said they were responsible dog owners as well. Guess what? That was a lie as well! They are back for their annual holiday so now my herd has to be moved off a 10 acre field onto a one acre paddock opposite the house and fed hay, just to keep them safe. I am wiring up every point of access with electric rope this afternoon.

Fraaahnces · 29/03/2024 16:00

Pity you can’t shoot irresponsible dog owners. I’m a country girl (in Aus) who is now in the city. I have a sooky giant breed dog that I can no longer walk anywhere because she has PTSD, and every fucker on a phone has a “Don’t worry he’s friendly” wee oodle of some flavour, off-lead (illegally) that insists on bouncing in her face, terrifying the living shit out of her until she screams and is accused of being vicious when their dickhead owners suddenly pay attention to what their feeble floofs are doing! (Which she could be if given the opportunity, because she’s scared!) I have had dogs follow me into my own house because their owners were too busy drinking their lattes on their tour de suburbia bikes to notice their off leash border collies were also off piste. (Was tempted to call the council to collect their friend. They would have been fined $1600 but my dog was hating it.)

umberelladay · 29/03/2024 19:42

I had a border collie, 15 years, never caused anyone any problems. perfectly trained, home everyday with a human. A perfect example of a dog, perfect.
Personally I called out shitty dog owners.
Maybe your giant breed dog isn't appropriate for the city?

Fraaahnces · 01/04/2024 03:33

@umberelladay - She’s fine for the city. She’s home all day with people too. She’s not a guard breed or an active breed. She’s more of a couch potato breed. She’s great with people, just afraid of dogs. I miss walking with her, but she feels the need to protect me, so I don’t walk with her. She doesn’t feel protective of my husband so she’s fine with him. He also feels safer walking her late at night when there are fewer oodles about (and it’s much cooler where I live). Were also heading back to the country within about 18 months where she will resume her current lifestyle
choices involve lying diagonally across every stairwell and hallway, flinging gobfuls of dry food onto the carpet under the dining table to eat with the family at meal times and sleeping with her feet up on the back of the couch and her head hanging down so her lips and ears are floppy for most of the day. (She’s not a spring chicken).

NobbyNobbs · 01/04/2024 09:10

Bit different, but I bought an old property on a side of a Welsh mountain - wrecked and run down but the cottage had views of the valley that I loved.

It was a clear building site that we worked on most days, and at one point, had no doors or windows (on an extension) and ladders and platforms (it was 3 storeys). We had cones and tape everywhere, including danger signs.

Came to work one particular bank holiday (builders day off) and there was a family of four who'd stepped through our warning tape and cones. Mum and daughter were wandering through the downstairs and when I was asking them what they thought they were doing, heard noises from the upper level.

I climbed my 2 sets of ladders to find a man and his teenage son at the top of the property admiring the views.

I asked them to leave immediately. The woman had the audacity to question where I was from and if this was my second home (as if I had less of a right to be there than she and her nosy-fucker family).

InlikealionOutlikeahare · 07/04/2024 13:10

OrangeCrusher · 26/03/2024 19:09

There is a lot of damage and restrictions have already had to be brought into some places. Loch Lomond now has camping and campfire restrictions. I can only see more restrictions being needed. Not just the mess but watching Non-uk tourists trying to drive camper-vans around Scotland is terrifying and has already caused road deaths. It’s quite frightening seeing them unable to work out how passing places work, especially on bendy roads.

I had an enormous shock the other day - a camper van driver actually managed to stop in a passing place for me to pass!!! It's not often that that happens!

AlanThePig · 07/04/2024 22:18

Oddly I’ve had a CF visit this weekend…..

I’ve posted in the past how I live opposite an air BnB. It’s been. Pain in the arse. At one point the owner came into my garden, photographed my pond and land and added it to his listing. Spent a year firefighting all the different cottage companies to get the bloody photos removed.
Anyway, on Saturday I heard the gate alarm go, it’s away from the house but alerts as soon as it’s opened. I look out of the window to see a lady wandering in my garden, peering into the water, walking around the grass etc. I stood waiting for her to come to the door but after about two minutes I realised she wasn’t going to so went down to see what she wanted.
yep, you guessed it, she’s staying in the air BnB. Apparently she liked the look of the garden and loves nature so thought she’d come and look. Apparently I should put a private property sign up (there are several) as she couldn’t possibly have known it wasn’t public land, despite being fully fenced. Clearly the gate she unbolted to access the very obviously residential drive wasn’t enough of a giveaway for her.

Going to be a long summer I think.

krustykittens · 08/04/2024 02:24

AlanThePig · 07/04/2024 22:18

Oddly I’ve had a CF visit this weekend…..

I’ve posted in the past how I live opposite an air BnB. It’s been. Pain in the arse. At one point the owner came into my garden, photographed my pond and land and added it to his listing. Spent a year firefighting all the different cottage companies to get the bloody photos removed.
Anyway, on Saturday I heard the gate alarm go, it’s away from the house but alerts as soon as it’s opened. I look out of the window to see a lady wandering in my garden, peering into the water, walking around the grass etc. I stood waiting for her to come to the door but after about two minutes I realised she wasn’t going to so went down to see what she wanted.
yep, you guessed it, she’s staying in the air BnB. Apparently she liked the look of the garden and loves nature so thought she’d come and look. Apparently I should put a private property sign up (there are several) as she couldn’t possibly have known it wasn’t public land, despite being fully fenced. Clearly the gate she unbolted to access the very obviously residential drive wasn’t enough of a giveaway for her.

Going to be a long summer I think.

Cheeky bloody cow!

decionsdecisions62 · 08/04/2024 05:01

Shout 'get awf my land' and wave your stick. That should do it.

arkmatter · 08/04/2024 10:36

Both my local playground and nature reserve have installed CCTV. Farmers Guardian do signs about dogs or make your own, lock the gate, Large notices about the law relating to dogs. It is unfortunately the only way. I have AirBnbs on the edge of our property, they think they can use all the surrounding land for their guests. It has also ruined the local rental market for local families needing places to live.

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