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Is the tide turning regarding gender ideology?

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 18:23

I exist in a world where the harms of gender ideology is very prevalent. I am also seeing there is a turning of conversations. With more cases being brought forward of the harm done owing to gender affirmative care and gender ideology I am hoping that this continues. Over the weekend was a major conference looking at this very issue, again this conference was targeted to be shut down (unsuccessfully) and the TRAs arrived shouting there usual nonsense. I am seeing a shift in the debate and I'm curious what others are experiencing in their own worlds?

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FictionalCharacter · 18/04/2024 15:55

I think it's turning very slowly in a 3 steps forward and 2 back manner.
I work in a very captured workplace. It's still very much on board, but I noticed that one of the really extreme pieces of propaganda info for staff they published has been quietly withdrawn and replaced with something much more moderate. Plus we are "strongly encouraged" to put pronouns on signatures and websites, but it isn't compulsory. I think these are very important, because previously it all seemed to be going in one direction.

As always we see PPs conflating being GNC with trans/NB, so that they can say those of us who don't buy it are enforcing gender stereotypes (obviously the reverse is true when the activists say a little girl who likes cars and football must be a boy). There are still people out there who are taken in by this, but more people are getting it. Ditto people who think TG means post op transsexual.
All this is against a background of the likes of the BBC who work strenuously to keep Lia Thomas and male criminals with bulges in their leggings off our screens. And presenting anything not pro their stance as "controversial", with the presenters using that concerned "how can anyone believe that?" expression.

LogicLoverLlama · 18/04/2024 15:59

"strongly encouraged" pronouns is another shit show waiting to happen. I'd anonymously threaten them with some equality act waffle and see it quietly go away in light of the Cass review....

PeaceOnThePorch · 18/04/2024 16:04

I’m seeing more people confidently speak up to say they’re GC, they were previously keeping quiet. The penny also seems to be dropping with others who previously didn’t see the issues around safe spaces and sports.

FictionalCharacter · 18/04/2024 16:57

LogicLoverLlama · 18/04/2024 15:59

"strongly encouraged" pronouns is another shit show waiting to happen. I'd anonymously threaten them with some equality act waffle and see it quietly go away in light of the Cass review....

It's much better than the situation in similar organisations (huge, public sector) where it's compulsory. Believe me, in our sector the fact they haven't made it actually mandatory is a big deal. I have chosen not to use pronouns and so have many others. I had been certain that we were heading for more extreme stances but instead they're becoming more moderate. I agree that there's a long way to go.

Mentioning Cass won't help where I am. Cass was about "gender ID services" for children and young people. Services for adults, and pronouns etc for adults in a workplace were not part of the scope. No waffle will work here - there is a dedicated team of gender ideology high priests and priestesses who will work very hard to protect what they've built. And senior people who enabled this, and don't want to lose face.

LogicLoverLlama · 18/04/2024 17:02

I mean more that if anyone tries to compel you - you could kill them with legal issues - and strongly encouraged wouldn't stand up either

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