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Is the tide turning regarding gender ideology?

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 18:23

I exist in a world where the harms of gender ideology is very prevalent. I am also seeing there is a turning of conversations. With more cases being brought forward of the harm done owing to gender affirmative care and gender ideology I am hoping that this continues. Over the weekend was a major conference looking at this very issue, again this conference was targeted to be shut down (unsuccessfully) and the TRAs arrived shouting there usual nonsense. I am seeing a shift in the debate and I'm curious what others are experiencing in their own worlds?

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Alcyoneus · 24/03/2024 20:42

Hardly. Just a few days ago, our pond life parliamentarians filibustered a debate about the harms of chemically castrating children and talked about ferrets instead.

Next month, Scotland, which is heading full speed into batshittery, will be enacting a hate speech law, designed or protect dudes in dresses and makes no mention of women and their protected characteristics. So in Scotland, if someone says you misgendered them, the police will come after you. Women, get out while you still can.

Alcyoneus · 24/03/2024 20:45

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 20:46

GreigeO · 24/03/2024 20:40

Yes, I think we all our huge debt of gratitude Maya Forestarter.

Without her win, I think a lot of people were afraid of losing jobs etc if they spoke up.

I'm not wandering around being gender critical (which surely is the same thing as gender nonconforming, no?) at work, because I work at a university, and they are still hotbeds of nonsense.

However, I do at least know that if I were to say something I wouldn't get sacked.

And that helps me breathe a bit easier.

The whole thing is a load of fucking nonsense.

Does your uni start with the letter S?

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Ohpleease · 24/03/2024 20:50

Work have stopped reminding me to ask clients their pronouns so maybe… but v slowly

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 20:50

Alcyoneus · 24/03/2024 20:42

Hardly. Just a few days ago, our pond life parliamentarians filibustered a debate about the harms of chemically castrating children and talked about ferrets instead.

Next month, Scotland, which is heading full speed into batshittery, will be enacting a hate speech law, designed or protect dudes in dresses and makes no mention of women and their protected characteristics. So in Scotland, if someone says you misgendered them, the police will come after you. Women, get out while you still can.

I feel both angry and sad.i am at the end of experiencing years of harrassment and discrimination owing to being GC. For speaking out about the damage being done. I now have some vindication as I am awaiting financial compensation as the ‘place’ now acknowledges the harrassment and discrimination I faced. I am wondering whether I'll be asked to sign a NDA (as I know others have).

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 20:51

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Yup

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 20:53

Ohpleease · 24/03/2024 20:50

Work have stopped reminding me to ask clients their pronouns so maybe… but v slowly

I work with some of the most vulnerable people in the UK. If I asked them for there pronouns they would understandably tell me to fu€k off. It's ironic that in an ideology that espouses privelage, is completely immune to the inherent privelage of being so consumed with gender.

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Lion400 · 24/03/2024 20:56

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/05/21/transgender-movement-fascism/

‘The paper outlines the strategy of the transgender movement and it’s inherently anti-democratic tactics. Instead of winning hearts and minds they have appealed to authority, change laws, often by stealth, bypassing a public conversation. Their appeal is based on a fallacious victimhood; deployed to guilt and shame people into accepting their minority world view. This is combined with a suppression of debate and repression of alternative perspectives.’

Transgender Movement & Fascism

The repressive moralism of the transgender movement

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/05/21/transgender-movement-fascism/

Lion400 · 24/03/2024 20:56

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 20:53

I work with some of the most vulnerable people in the UK. If I asked them for there pronouns they would understandably tell me to fu€k off. It's ironic that in an ideology that espouses privelage, is completely immune to the inherent privelage of being so consumed with gender.

Quite.

soupfiend · 24/03/2024 20:57

literalviolence · 24/03/2024 20:32

Well said. It's also not about being gender conforming. Most people I know are gender non-conforming. That doesn't make them trans. Gender conformity hasn't been the norm for 20 years or more. It doesn't need a label. It's just normal.

It's very important that people hear anti-gender ideology as 'anti stereotypes' not some endorsement of the 1950's.

Its longer than that isnt it, decades and decades.

I say this on lots of threads so am boring, I dont wear make up (hardly ever), dont wear dresses or skirts, dont shave my legs, Im not 'feminine', dont like pink, never played really with 'girls toys' or other stereotypical games/presentation

Am I 'gender non conforming', yes and no. Im just me, no label, not that different from most women to be honest.

Its a nonsense term to describe likes and dislikes

I also get annoyed when I see the term 'gender they're born into'. No one is born into a theoretical construct that someone develops for themselves!!!! Its not possible.

Lion400 · 24/03/2024 21:00

There’s a definite shift, I agree. Though with the fact that any man can say he’s a woman and therefore be ‘allowed’ into any female space, we’ve still got a long way to go.

Until biological sex is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act, women’s rights are significantly eroded.

wombat15 · 24/03/2024 21:01

I don't think there is any shift among younger adults.

GreigeO · 24/03/2024 21:10

No, not an S, and mine isn't too bad. Was great to hear about Jo Phoenix's win at the OU.

Screamingabdabz · 24/03/2024 21:19

No op. The tide isn’t turning. It’s actually getting worse and much more dangerous for women.

I just feel like I live in a surreal parallel universe where democratic governments are actually legislating to support this utter insanity and women are increasingly losing their political voice.

When Labour get in, I dread to think what will become of us and our rights and dignities. Gilead here we come.

wiffin · 24/03/2024 21:44

wombat15 · 24/03/2024 21:01

I don't think there is any shift among younger adults.

I agree on those around 20 to 30. Younger and older, another so sure.

tobee · 24/03/2024 22:08

Screamingabdabz · 24/03/2024 21:19

No op. The tide isn’t turning. It’s actually getting worse and much more dangerous for women.

I just feel like I live in a surreal parallel universe where democratic governments are actually legislating to support this utter insanity and women are increasingly losing their political voice.

When Labour get in, I dread to think what will become of us and our rights and dignities. Gilead here we come.

Conversely, I'm hopeful that if a Labour government does get in, a lot of this will, in fact, die down. It's much easier for people to rally support & say being gc is a right wing concept when there's a hated (to a percentage of people) right wing government in power. The Tories, and some of their supporters, are using this as one of their few issues that the vast majority of the population agree with.

tobee · 24/03/2024 22:09

Especially with the SNP being in the vanguard for anti GC views.

See how well it’s going for the popularity of the SNP

Lemoncokezero · 24/03/2024 22:17

Yabu to post here when there's a topic for this.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/03/2024 22:29

Next month, Scotland, which is heading full speed into batshittery, will be enacting a hate speech law, designed or protect dudes in dresses and makes no mention of women and their protected characteristics. So in Scotland, if someone says you misgendered them, the police will come after you. Women, get out while you still can.

Yep. We are totally fucked.

tobee · 24/03/2024 22:42

What's the likelihood of this being reversed in Scotland in the reasonably near future? Or will it just have to eventually become non enforceable?

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LogicLoverLlama · 17/04/2024 19:37

How quickly things change, just 3 weeks later, turns out we aren't all bigots after all

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KateMiskin · 17/04/2024 20:03

Yes. When the Cass Review came out, I was able to have a sensible conversation with some friends. Only a couple of years ago, they were calling themselves allies and me a TERF.

I now need to have that discussion with my young adult DC without eye rolling.