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Am I heartless selfish b**ch if I say no to my friend with cancer

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Scorcher79 · 23/03/2024 19:42

So I have a close friend living in Texas who got cancer over a year ago and has been through the mill with chemo, had to get a kidney removed etc. We've been friends for almost 20 years and stayed in touch despite living in different continents over the years. I know she values my friendship and sees me as a sister. I've visited her in Poland, Spain and Texas where she now lives on 2 occasions. While I love her dearly & consider her a good friend, she can be extremely high maintenance& very needy at times which I find hard to handle at times. At one stage a few years ago I had to take a step back from the friendship as I was finding the friendship quite draining. The problem is she is one of those people that I think has never learned to be comfortable with herself and her own company and is quite unhappy in herself. She can also be very negative and complains about everything and for the last ten years or so I've had to listen to her complain about every aspect of her life in Texas. On the other hand she's a very empathetic, kind, intelligent, loyal and supportive friend. Last year, just after she found out she had cancer, she asked me to come over from Ireland where I live and be there for her whilst she was starting out on her cancer journey. Despite some misgivings , I went over to her in the height of August when the heat was brutal and it was almost impossible to be out during the day. I can't say I enjoyed my time there and to be honest I hated Texas and found the heat absolutely brutal so was never so glad to leave and get back to cool& green Ireland. It was also an emotional rollercoaster of a trip and quite exhausting in many ways.
It's now almost 9 months later and she's been doing a lot better, in a much more positive frame of mind and the chemo seems to have worked. She's been looking better, her hair's grown back and she generally seems in better spirits. However, she texted me today saying that she wanted to chat to me and had a proposal for me. Because I know her and how she thinks, I'm 99% sure she's going to ask me to come out to Texas again and offer to pay for my flights etc. I'm dreading it. I have absolutely no desire to ever set foot in Texas ever again nor do I particularly want to listen to her complain about how unhappy she is there. Can I say no or am I a total selfish bitch if I do?

Incidentally, she doesn't have a partner( a source of a lot of unhappiness for her) or a large family-parents both dead& she has just 2 sisters, neither of whom have even gone over to be with her during her cancer treatment (a bit of a dysfunctional sibling relationship)I am probably the closest thing she has to family . This I feel puts a lot of pressure on me as her friend...

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Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 15:44

GaryLurcher19 · 24/03/2024 10:56

Tell her this. You can afford neither the time or money. And tell her how it would be lovely to see her at yours or in Europe. By the sound of things that would do her good. Why doesn't she move, BTW?

I think she's afraid of change and is trapped in a situation of her own making. She always says , " I'm not as good as you at finding opportunities"& things along those lines but I think it goes deeper than that. She'd rather be unhappy in a situation she's familiar with than take a risk....

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Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 16:00

RoseBucket · 24/03/2024 13:54

Off point @Scorcher79 but I’d love to quit my job for a few months and take sometime for myself, I’m just too nervous to do so, huge admiration for you, what are your plans, I’m very jealous!

@RoseBucket it helps that I don't have a mortgage or husband and kids to factor in . While I am paying off a pretty big loan that I obtained to buy the house, it's basically just me& I own my house so am very fortunate. I'm not sure what I'll do yet...half thinking of WOOFIng on a vineyard or learning beekeeping or some kind of practical skill. Also thinking of doing a start your own business course and seeing if I can put my teaching & marketing skills to use somehow.
.Or perhaps I'll AirBnB a room in the house and just do some travelling...dunno yet really. I am going to need some sort of income soon though as while I have some savings, they won't last long. ..watch this space!

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GaryLurcher19 · 24/03/2024 16:52

Ah, I see. I think she would definitely benefit from a trip to Europe, it might enbolden her a bit.

In any case, I hope you find a way to support each other that suits you both.

Vitriolinsanity · 24/03/2024 19:50

Everyone I know that has been to or lived in Texas is not a fan, so I get your reluctance.

Would the East Coat be a compromise? Boston or even South Florida for some sunshine?

Catsmere · 24/03/2024 20:47

toomanyy · 24/03/2024 14:02

OP knows what Texas is like, she’s been there twice. Even if the friend pays for flights, OP would still have to have spending money, which could be better spent on travelling to somewhere she wants to go.

Not to mention that OP is out of work and job hunting.

TheGirlWhoLived · 24/03/2024 23:01

Catsmere · 24/03/2024 10:42

It absolutely isn't, and I completely agree about US culture (and climate - "uncomfy"??)

Edited

Yes a climate you aren’t comfortable with would be seen as ‘uncomfortable’ therefore ‘uncomfy’. It’s not debilitatingly bad like…. Oh I don’t know… chemo!?

@Scorcher79 you are using things like ‘I can’t afford it’ alongside ‘she is paying for me to go’ so I don’t understand which it is. It is obviously up to you, and no her happiness is not your responsibility, obviously.

In my opinion, if my friend, who had cancer, was asking me to do something that I could possibly, physically do? (Whether in a climate I was uncomfortable in, or at a time I was uncomfortable with) then I would move mountains to do that.

If you don’t want to, then fine, don’t, but you are asking for opinions on a public forum - this is the sort of friend that you get with being friends with me

Catsmere · 24/03/2024 23:36

@TheGirlWhoLived it was the use of "uncomfy" rather than "uncomfortable" that I was referring to. It sounds childish to me, and trivialising. Heat that extreme, especially for someone from a radically different climate, can be debilitating. OP knows how bad it is, she's endured it twice.

Scorcher79 · 25/03/2024 08:09

Pantaloons99 · 24/03/2024 14:01

I'm really unwell. I can't leave the house much and no sign of improvement.

When friends see me it's hard as I can cry a fair bit. I think it is just far too much sometimes for people and you are not wrong at all to feel like it isn't what you really fancy. If you enjoy chatting still, could you just have phone calls to check in and catch up?

As someone in a horrible position that isn't likely improving, I wouldn't judge you on this to be fair, even if it hurt a bit xx

I have been checking in with her pretty regularly via WhatsApp video calls. Also sent her cards, flowers, little presents to cheer her up. These are things I feel I can do but don't think I have it in me to say "yes" if she asks me to come over to Texas again.... I really did hate it and would rather support her from afar or if she were to return to Europe...

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RoseBucket · 25/03/2024 12:15

Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 16:00

@RoseBucket it helps that I don't have a mortgage or husband and kids to factor in . While I am paying off a pretty big loan that I obtained to buy the house, it's basically just me& I own my house so am very fortunate. I'm not sure what I'll do yet...half thinking of WOOFIng on a vineyard or learning beekeeping or some kind of practical skill. Also thinking of doing a start your own business course and seeing if I can put my teaching & marketing skills to use somehow.
.Or perhaps I'll AirBnB a room in the house and just do some travelling...dunno yet really. I am going to need some sort of income soon though as while I have some savings, they won't last long. ..watch this space!

@Scorcher79 good luck! I have similar plans once my daughter leaves Uni. I just want to buy a van and go travelling! X

TheNinny · 25/03/2024 13:43

toomanyy · 24/03/2024 14:02

OP knows what Texas is like, she’s been there twice. Even if the friend pays for flights, OP would still have to have spending money, which could be better spent on travelling to somewhere she wants to go.

okay, was only giving my thoughts 😒

TheNinny · 25/03/2024 13:47

Catsmere · 24/03/2024 20:47

Not to mention that OP is out of work and job hunting.

sorry hadn’t read that part 😒

jay55 · 25/03/2024 15:01

Not working is the perfect excuse not to make plans. You need to be home for interviews, you might take a new job and not have any leave etc,

That a regular job isn't necessarily on the cards is neither here nor there. Right now isn't the time to be making plans around others wishes.

CobraChicken · 25/03/2024 16:42

@Scorcher79

When are you likely to speak with her to find out what she's actually proposing?

Whoknowsohyoudo · 25/03/2024 16:47

If you're both able, maybe suggest you take a trip somewhere you both would enjoy. A change of scenery might be good for her as well.

Pantaloons99 · 25/03/2024 19:12

Scorcher79 · 25/03/2024 08:09

I have been checking in with her pretty regularly via WhatsApp video calls. Also sent her cards, flowers, little presents to cheer her up. These are things I feel I can do but don't think I have it in me to say "yes" if she asks me to come over to Texas again.... I really did hate it and would rather support her from afar or if she were to return to Europe...

I think that sounds lovely of you and id find that really supportive of me in her position. Try not feel guilty. Just use a cast iron reason whatever that's going to be and don't waiver from it. In case friend isn't good at taking no.

Catsmere · 25/03/2024 20:20

TheNinny · 25/03/2024 13:47

sorry hadn’t read that part 😒

No worries!

Scorcher79 · 25/03/2024 21:24

CobraChicken · 25/03/2024 16:42

@Scorcher79

When are you likely to speak with her to find out what she's actually proposing?

Funnily enough we spoke this evening and as I'd suspected and dreaded, she did bring up the idea of me going over again as she has a big check up in April that she's nervous about and I guess she wants the moral support (which I get). As I knew she would also, she mentioned she might be able to pay for the trip but I had dropped a lot of hints into the conversation leading up to her "ask" about considering my job options now that I was unemployed and what we'd do together the next time she was in Ireland...laying the groundwork for her coming to visit me...so she didn't insist too much . I understand her so I know why she wants me to come over but I do think it's quite a big ask to ask me to go over a second time even if she were to pay for it. If the shoe were on the other foot, would I do the same? I don't know....I guess if I was super lonely and didn't have a lot of close friends or support perhaps I would... It would be a much easier decision I think if she lived in the same continent or was back in Spain....my gut says 'no' this time but I feel terribly guilty for that.

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Scorcher79 · 25/03/2024 21:28

13luckyforsomeone · 23/03/2024 19:57

I have stage 4 cancer FWIW. Not that it means I can speak for anyone except myself, but still!

You really did a great thing going over to be there with her when she needed you. But you know, you’re also a person with wants and needs. You have to look after yourself first.

You should hear what she says, because you may not be correct. But you can say no. “Oh, I’m so sorry, I can’t.” Ask her to email if you feel unable to say no over the phone (if you think you’ll cave I mean).

It doesn’t make you a bad person. You’re a person though, just like she is. You still have agency, even if she has cancer, and it’s ok for you to say no.

I was right. It was a proposal for me to go over there again.....

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Daffodilsarentfluffy · 25/03/2024 21:31

Just suggest matter of factly surely it is your turn to host? Maybe plan an enticing itinerary?

Scorcher79 · 25/03/2024 21:34

4LittlePaws · 24/03/2024 11:01

Find out what the proposal is first, might be something completely different.

I wish but it turns out I really do know her well. We spoke this evening and my prediction was 100% accurate.

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LadyBird1973 · 25/03/2024 21:45

If you are now out of work, I think you'd be mad to go, when you need to sort things out here. It's okay to say that you can't travel right now and reiterate the invitation for her to visit you instead.
Even if she paid for the costs, it's time that you can't really waste now, if you need to sort your job situation.

Catsmere · 25/03/2024 21:59

Did you tell her you're out of work yet, OP?

Waterbaby41 · 25/03/2024 22:15

You asked if you are being selfish - well yes you are. You said that Texas was 'brutal' - trust me you haven't experienced brutal if you have not had treatment for cancer. So please just be truthful with her that you don't want to go - it will be a lot for her to process that you cannot support her in person, but better she knows.

ChanelNo19EDT · 25/03/2024 22:22

Waterbaby41 · 25/03/2024 22:15

You asked if you are being selfish - well yes you are. You said that Texas was 'brutal' - trust me you haven't experienced brutal if you have not had treatment for cancer. So please just be truthful with her that you don't want to go - it will be a lot for her to process that you cannot support her in person, but better she knows.

Too harsh, way too harsh, OP went out to see her friend to support her through the initial treatment. It wasn't witnessing her friend's treatment that the OP described as brutal, it was the texas heat. I think reading this thread it's obvious that the OP is a good person who cares about her friend and is not at all selfish. Recognising that an experience will deplete you is NOT selfish.

Scorcher79 · 26/03/2024 08:00

Catsmere · 25/03/2024 21:59

Did you tell her you're out of work yet, OP?

Yes. She knows. Hence why she's offering to pay for my flights over.

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