Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Am I heartless selfish b**ch if I say no to my friend with cancer

102 replies

Scorcher79 · 23/03/2024 19:42

So I have a close friend living in Texas who got cancer over a year ago and has been through the mill with chemo, had to get a kidney removed etc. We've been friends for almost 20 years and stayed in touch despite living in different continents over the years. I know she values my friendship and sees me as a sister. I've visited her in Poland, Spain and Texas where she now lives on 2 occasions. While I love her dearly & consider her a good friend, she can be extremely high maintenance& very needy at times which I find hard to handle at times. At one stage a few years ago I had to take a step back from the friendship as I was finding the friendship quite draining. The problem is she is one of those people that I think has never learned to be comfortable with herself and her own company and is quite unhappy in herself. She can also be very negative and complains about everything and for the last ten years or so I've had to listen to her complain about every aspect of her life in Texas. On the other hand she's a very empathetic, kind, intelligent, loyal and supportive friend. Last year, just after she found out she had cancer, she asked me to come over from Ireland where I live and be there for her whilst she was starting out on her cancer journey. Despite some misgivings , I went over to her in the height of August when the heat was brutal and it was almost impossible to be out during the day. I can't say I enjoyed my time there and to be honest I hated Texas and found the heat absolutely brutal so was never so glad to leave and get back to cool& green Ireland. It was also an emotional rollercoaster of a trip and quite exhausting in many ways.
It's now almost 9 months later and she's been doing a lot better, in a much more positive frame of mind and the chemo seems to have worked. She's been looking better, her hair's grown back and she generally seems in better spirits. However, she texted me today saying that she wanted to chat to me and had a proposal for me. Because I know her and how she thinks, I'm 99% sure she's going to ask me to come out to Texas again and offer to pay for my flights etc. I'm dreading it. I have absolutely no desire to ever set foot in Texas ever again nor do I particularly want to listen to her complain about how unhappy she is there. Can I say no or am I a total selfish bitch if I do?

Incidentally, she doesn't have a partner( a source of a lot of unhappiness for her) or a large family-parents both dead& she has just 2 sisters, neither of whom have even gone over to be with her during her cancer treatment (a bit of a dysfunctional sibling relationship)I am probably the closest thing she has to family . This I feel puts a lot of pressure on me as her friend...

OP posts:
Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 10:11

TheGirlWhoLived · 23/03/2024 19:51

I would go… you being uncomfy for a week seems a small price to pay for making someone ultimately happy for a year.

I get what you're saying but surely it's not my job to make her happy?

OP posts:
Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 10:12

MassiveOvaryaction · 23/03/2024 19:48

Maybe her proposal would be to visit you - how would you feel about that?

I would be fine with that!:-)

OP posts:
Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 10:15

Lovetotravel123 · 23/03/2024 19:52

Could you meet in the middle somewhere? Maybe have a trip away together, somewhere cooler?

Yes, that would be my preference...to visit her back in Spain or somewhere in Europe but I honestly can't afford not do I have any desire to head to the US again. Also just quit my job and am going to be unemployed so need to be careful with what I do with my savings ...

OP posts:
Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 10:17

13luckyforsomeone · 23/03/2024 19:57

I have stage 4 cancer FWIW. Not that it means I can speak for anyone except myself, but still!

You really did a great thing going over to be there with her when she needed you. But you know, you’re also a person with wants and needs. You have to look after yourself first.

You should hear what she says, because you may not be correct. But you can say no. “Oh, I’m so sorry, I can’t.” Ask her to email if you feel unable to say no over the phone (if you think you’ll cave I mean).

It doesn’t make you a bad person. You’re a person though, just like she is. You still have agency, even if she has cancer, and it’s ok for you to say no.

Thanks so much for your advice. It means a lot coming from someone in your situation. I hope you are doing OK yourself?

OP posts:
Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 10:23

Changeandagoodrest · 23/03/2024 20:01

Would you go in November for thanksgiving and get some Xmas shopping in? Or suggest somewhere else in America?

I've been back and forth to the US probably 4 or 5 times in the last 3 years and while I know it's a great privilege and lots of people would envy that, while I like many parts of America , I really don't like their system or way of life. Everything is about money and size and status and profit and if you're poor or down on your luck then you just fall through the cracks. We're not some kind of Utopia in Ireland, lots of social problems here too and we have lots of poverty and a housing crisis and a growing migration crisis but it's the scale of the inequality in the US that I cannot deal with....

OP posts:
Hoppinggreen · 24/03/2024 10:26

Just because someone is/has been ill you dont have to agree to anything they ask you to do

Catsmere · 24/03/2024 10:42

Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 10:11

I get what you're saying but surely it's not my job to make her happy?

It absolutely isn't, and I completely agree about US culture (and climate - "uncomfy"??)

dottiedodah · 24/03/2024 10:47

Could you go for a week maybe. Just enough time to see her for a bit.If you really can't face it then maybe explain your situation. Maybe she can come to you when possible. You sound like a good friend. Don't beat yourself up if you Don't go

GaryLurcher19 · 24/03/2024 10:56

Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 10:15

Yes, that would be my preference...to visit her back in Spain or somewhere in Europe but I honestly can't afford not do I have any desire to head to the US again. Also just quit my job and am going to be unemployed so need to be careful with what I do with my savings ...

Tell her this. You can afford neither the time or money. And tell her how it would be lovely to see her at yours or in Europe. By the sound of things that would do her good. Why doesn't she move, BTW?

4LittlePaws · 24/03/2024 11:01

Find out what the proposal is first, might be something completely different.

ChanelNo19EDT · 24/03/2024 11:21

Bring up healthcare in Spain. I know foreigners still have pay, but it is reasonably priced. As I'm sure she knows if she used to live there.

I visited my xmil in florida 20 years ago and I know what you mean. Impossible to walk anywhere. No paths. Blinding hot sun blinding me as it bounced of white walls. I was like the stereotype of the wilting energy-sapped white person with a knotted white hanky over their head. The heat is tough. I was wearing both pairs of sunglasses, still blinded!
Never seemed to struggle to the same extent in Spain.

No skinny alleys with shade from tall stone buildings like in Spain.

KomodoOhno · 24/03/2024 12:28

Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 10:09

Yes, Heuston has hardly any trees or greenery or nature. Just miles and miles of concrete jungle, motorway and strip malls. I'm scared to drive there because it's so aggressive and hate that you can't walk anywhere either. Something we take so much for granted in Ireland! Sure there's some nice pockets of the city and some beautiful houses but overall for me the quality of life is nowhere as good as it is in Europe.

Living in a state even hotter then Texas I cannot imagine the shock the heat must have been compared to where you are from. You are not acclimated to that kind of heat and that can be dangerous.

TheNinny · 24/03/2024 12:40

If she pays, i’d consider it. Texas is brutal heat but unless you’re spending hours outside, all places are air conditioned and you might enjoy spending time eating/shopping a little. I’ve spent lots of time there and even lived in Dallas so i do get it. I’ve no desire to ever live there but it’s still fun to visit. Maybe not go in summer?

TheNinny · 24/03/2024 12:43

tbh i forgot the driving part, if you’re not confident i wouldn’t go. i used to stay there and now too scared to drive when i visit. houston is a concrete jungle but you do have galveston island close by and the beach areas….

paisley256 · 24/03/2024 13:02

Her wants and needs don't come before yours whether or not she has a shit life, is unhappy and/or has cancer.

I have stage 4 and there's no way on earth I'd ask someone to put their life on hold to help me through any part of my journey, it's far too much of an ask. I also have very little support and don't have any family around me where I live.

You did a lovely thing going out there to be there for her, but if she does ask you to go back and you really don't want to go please don't think you're a bitch for saying no. You matter too.

Scorcher79 · 24/03/2024 13:28

paisley256 · 24/03/2024 13:02

Her wants and needs don't come before yours whether or not she has a shit life, is unhappy and/or has cancer.

I have stage 4 and there's no way on earth I'd ask someone to put their life on hold to help me through any part of my journey, it's far too much of an ask. I also have very little support and don't have any family around me where I live.

You did a lovely thing going out there to be there for her, but if she does ask you to go back and you really don't want to go please don't think you're a bitch for saying no. You matter too.

Thanks so much @paisley256 . Again the insights and comments mean a lot from someone who's been there. I'm pretty independent and rarely ask anyone for anything so I do find it a big ask, especially if that is what she's proposing....I was happy to support her once but if it's what I'm expecting her to propose, it's going to have be a firm(but kind) "no"

OP posts:
paisley256 · 24/03/2024 13:42

You sound absolutely lovely and a very thoughtful friend. Just posting you're question on here says so much about you and how caring you are. I'm sensing you don't like saying no to people but you really do matter too.

My first comments may have sounded harsh to some as they did a bit to me reading them back, but they come from a place of people pleasing during the first half of my life and feeling down and resentful over it. I've had to work hard at being assertive and it hasn't been easy but I'm so much happier now that I only do what I want to do. I consider myself to be a thoughtful, decent person and I love to help people in need but I'm just not willing to make myself unhappy anymore to do it.

Yes you can say no in a kind and compassionate way but then it's up to her what she does with that. If you were my friend I'd absolutely respect your "no" because you have every right to not want to do something. 💐

paisley256 · 24/03/2024 13:42

Your*

ButterCrackers · 24/03/2024 13:46

If she asks for you to visit with all costs paid just say that you can’t at the moment. Say that you’re happy to chat and message but can’t travel. You are a good friend but also it’s important to set your boundaries.

theduchessofspork · 24/03/2024 13:49

Just say you have Xxx lined up this year

Of course you aren’t being unreasonable - you more than did your friend duty when you went out when she started treatment (kudos to you)

the phrasing of her invite does sound a bit like she’s about to suggest you move in together or go on a big joint holiday, so be well prepared

RoseBucket · 24/03/2024 13:54

Off point @Scorcher79 but I’d love to quit my job for a few months and take sometime for myself, I’m just too nervous to do so, huge admiration for you, what are your plans, I’m very jealous!

Pantaloons99 · 24/03/2024 14:01

I'm really unwell. I can't leave the house much and no sign of improvement.

When friends see me it's hard as I can cry a fair bit. I think it is just far too much sometimes for people and you are not wrong at all to feel like it isn't what you really fancy. If you enjoy chatting still, could you just have phone calls to check in and catch up?

As someone in a horrible position that isn't likely improving, I wouldn't judge you on this to be fair, even if it hurt a bit xx

toomanyy · 24/03/2024 14:02

TheNinny · 24/03/2024 12:40

If she pays, i’d consider it. Texas is brutal heat but unless you’re spending hours outside, all places are air conditioned and you might enjoy spending time eating/shopping a little. I’ve spent lots of time there and even lived in Dallas so i do get it. I’ve no desire to ever live there but it’s still fun to visit. Maybe not go in summer?

OP knows what Texas is like, she’s been there twice. Even if the friend pays for flights, OP would still have to have spending money, which could be better spent on travelling to somewhere she wants to go.

Fluffypuppy1 · 24/03/2024 14:05

Newuser75 · 23/03/2024 19:58

Was it mainly the heat you didn't like? Would you consider going at a cooler time of year maybe?
If not then I'd really just be honest, say the place wasn't for you, you didn't cope well with the heat but you would love to see her, maybe at yours or on a different place altogether.

This.

Texas isn’t boiling hot all year. Just during the summer months. Check the average temperatures by month and pick a cooler time to visit.

RandomMess · 24/03/2024 14:33

Just be mindful she may struggle to get affordable travel insurance so she may not be able to travel abroad.

Swipe left for the next trending thread