To be fed up with all the threads about high earners feeling poor

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It's always the same condescending "I've worked so hard and only have a 3 bedroom house in a great location and an expensive car", as if 1. that's not a lot 2. people who make 5 times less do not work as hard!

And the suprised pikachu face that having a degree did not magically get them a 500k job. That is not how capitalism works folks

Times are really fucking hideous for almost everyone right now. No one is immune from financial anxiety. Feeling compassionate towards a fellow human does not take away sympathy from you.

I hate to disillusion you but people have always said things like this, it's just that now instead of just boring their nearest and dearest with their whines they can become worldwide bores! Thanks Tim B-L.
I remember my mother saying about a neighbour going on about how 'lucky' I was to become a teacher, Mum told her The harder you work the luckier you become.
(Yes, I know it's not always possible but some people need shutting down)

People seriously need to quit with this. Pretty much every group had some real challenges in the lockdowns.
Some groups of healthcare workers I think had a particularly awful time (though not all healthcare workers did) but seriously the jobs that were done from home were needed as much as the ones on the ground to do things like manage supply chains. The only difference is some of those jobs you don’t have to be in a specific physical location for.

Times are not hideous for almost everyone, it's just the out of touch privileged people thinking that them not being able to put little Timmy in private school because of the COL is equally as hideous as people who cannot put the heating on!

It's a reference to remind people that it's some of the lowest paid and least respected jobs are the ones that are relied upon by everyone including the higher earners, to make everything work, and that became very apparent during COVID because they were the ones still going to a physical location to do the work because it couldn't be done anywhere else. It was that or the service/whatever didn't operate, despite those that could work from home to assist with that being able to do so - without boots on the ground so to speak, there'd have been no need for the people WFH orchestrating it all.

That work is as valid a contribution as a financial one, just not valued by some who are quite likely using those services to their own benefit because they feel superior due to their higher income. Some people need to be aware of that, because they seem to think they're the only ones who contribute anything.

YABU. "High" earning is both subjective and relative. On paper, we are 'high' earners. In reality, due to trussonomics, I don't have enough money to feed my children this month and it's going on a credit card. Which is nearly maxed out.

But we must be fine because DH fell into the higher rate tax bracket last tax year, right? (It left us with less money than the year before, when he earned £10k less).

Its seriously annoying when people are moaning when financially comfortable. I have relatives like that. If you listen to them you'd thing they're starving and freezing after their 5th holiday abroad.

This whole thread embodies the very worst things and people on mumsnet. 🙄

Who said anything about it being ‘equally’ as hideous? No one expect you. And therein lies your hang up and bitterness. Is there only one kind of ‘difficult’ all of a sudden? Or is someone facing removing their child from school or moving from their family home not allowed to find it quite shit?

No one has a monopoly on finding things difficult. Moving kids from any school if they don’t want to go is shit. Full stop. Having to move home is shit. Full stop.

Get over yourself.

You literally said "times are fking hideous for everyone". Well, not quite. Not being able to turn the heating on is hideous. Not being able to afford private school/a fifth holiday IS NOT.

The fact that you think those things are in any way comparable and equally valid to complain about is out of touch. You are the definition of tone deaf obnoxious people I made this thread about.

Nice try – but my kids don’t go to private school and I don’t live in a million pound pad.

What I actually said was having to take your kid out of a school is shit. If you don’t think children unwillingly moving from their school is shit for a family, then you’re a crap addition to the human race.

Who mentioned five holidays? No one. You did. Can you link the thread where anyone has been complaining about this specifically? No.

Stop exaggerating what people worry about to suit your bitterness. Sympathy is not a finite entity.

Yep!

I once replied to a thread where a poster was complaining that they were poor as they only earned about £150k, claimed they could barely afford to live etc. They both changed their cars every three years (top of the range volvos), they had a housekeeper, gardener, nanny and sent most of their washing out, school fees, business class travel, almost exclusively designer clothes. Yet little on me on half the income was doing just fine because I wasn’t wasting money on useless shite. I pointed out that I had a bigger mortgage, did a little SOA to show what could be afforded on my wage (still a very good wage!) at this point they threw a strop and asked MN to pull the thread for being outing.

The one I saw today about how do I manage in a take home if 8500 a month. Gasp!!!!

then you see they spend over 3500 on holidays and food!!

I don’t understand the intelligence of these people

Only 2% of nurses reach band 8!

It's like judging teachers salaries by that of the headteacher of a large secondary school!

But a newly qualified nurse is still on 27k. Way above other normal graduate salaries.

How the fuck can £27k be 'way above' anything? NMW is £22/23k.

YABU. People of all walks of life can have a difficult time, especially right now. Are only the poorest allowed to complain? We're all human. We all have a bad day sometimes and think why have I sacrificed so much for this shitty job and this shitty house. And they post here for advice.

Thought if was 21.5k because our graduates got a pay rise due to it.

YABU. People of all walks of life can have a difficult time, especially right now. Are only the poorest allowed to complain? We're all human. We all have a bad day sometimes and think why have I sacrificed so much for this shitty job and this shitty house. And they post here for advice.

Simple. Find a right audience to complain to. Because your sacrifice will sound like an insult or a joke to someone who didn't even have those things in the first place.

The wrong audience can choose not to engage in threads about it then, the same way they ignore other threads about subjects that aren’t relevant to them.

Mumsnet is for people from all walks of life, it isn’t aimed solely at low earners.

Where does it say on this public, world-wide forum that only low earners can post? I must have missed it in the rules. Here is an idea - maybe people can stop engaging in threads which don’t concern them to pick a fight. Thankfully MNHQ are clamping down on this as can be seen in the other thread.

Why should I be insulted?

I seem to have missed a bit of the registration which told me whether I could or couldn’t be part of the “audience”.

Was the criteria just related to financial status or where there other criteria I missed? Surely all those people seeking advice on the relationships boards are mocking me as I’m single? How insensitive. Surely people seeking advice on their children are trolling the infertile?

None of us are the main character with everyone else in the “audience”. If a thread is not for you, you don’t have to read it. You definitely don’t need to rage against someone just because you deem them unworthy of advice or support. I’m happy to learn about other people’s lives and experiences which are different to mine.

seems like a lot of high earners seem to either say horrible things about low earners or be constantly threatening to move overseas and I reckon that’s more what gets peoples backs up than the earnings per se.

also, I get it, we all live in the bubbles we live in but in London especially it’s really easy to have NO IDEA how most of the city lives and think because you’re struggling under mortgage and a holiday and childcare in Crouch End or Wimbledon that everyone in london is better off than you, but actually vast swathes of the city are way, way poorer. They’re just not living the life you live, and neither is most of the country.

So you haven’t given any thought to not reading them, then?