To think the PoW’s diagnosis makes healthy living seem pointless?

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I try my best to live heathily (although definitely not fanatical). I try and stay away from ultra processed foods, try and avoid saturated fat, too much meat etc., try and exercise every week. I’ll have the odd takeaway and definitely overindulge on wine, but always try and be mindful of living heathily because so much information is constantly battering me through the radio, media etc. about getting ill from various foods and not exercising.

I’ve recently lost my mother far too young too, so I suppose it’s particularly on my mind at the moment. But then you hear Kate’s diagnosis, who obviously exercises regularly, has the best instructors, best food, best ingredients, best preparation, and she still falls ill, and it all seems a bit pointless.

AIBU to feel this way? I just wonder whether I really should make an effort to watch what I eat and run when I don’t feel like it if really, what will be will be regardless.

@Justpontificating

who set up and paid for the research?

I find it very concerning!

The NHS guidance is pretty out of date on many things - especially diet related. They still push ‘low fat’ ultra processed food. And not something I’d base my health choices on. But each to their own. Everyone should do their own research, read studies, books, be questioning. And yes then we may all come to different conclusions as we have seen on here.

Go on - what's your evidence about saturated fats then?

So what clients do you treat then?

Don’t misquote me - I said in younger otherwise healthy people statins should not be the first port of call.

And yes I do believe sugar is more damaging than fat. We need fat to absorb vitamins and minerals. We strip out fat in our food and it’s replaced by ultra processed ingredients which are far worse for our health. Fat provides satiety which means you are less likely to overeat. Fat is not the enemy - sugar and processed foods are.

Our consumption of saturated fat and fat overall is declining. Yet rates of heart disease are going up?

Yes I do believe UPF foods are worse than a bit of saturated fat. It’s all about balance in the diet.

I agree about sugar.
I agree about ultra processed foods

You haven't given any evidence about saturated fats being healthy despite your claim that they are.

You do understand where unsaturated fats come from?

Oh - and just because saturated fat consumption is declining and CHD is going up does not imply a causal link. There are many factors to consider.

I’m not sure what you are arguing with me about anymore. I stand by my opinion that fat is demonised and some fat in the diet is fine. Especially good fats. Sugar and ultra processed foods are more concerning. This explains the fat paradox.

I’m not suggesting that people chow down on saturated fat all day every day. I am saying I personally (and I’m not alone in this) think the NHS guidelines to swap butter for margarine and to chose low fat products are out of date with what we now now about the risk or UPFs.

Hi @Delatron
i didn’t ‘quote’ you on anything, maybe you meant to tag another post

The nhs actually recommend , for women at least, to limit saturated fats to no more than 20g a day.
They don’t suggest you cut it out completely

I’m really trying to find my post where I said ‘saturated fat is healthy’ . I think I said ‘fat is fine’. Now maybe I was unclear. I just think replacing fat with sugar is unhealthy (and this is what happens when people choose low fat.

I personally choose full fat milk (more vitamins, protein and less sugar) I eat butter (but a small
amount). I eat full fat yoghurt (less processed, less sugar).

I’m a healthy weight and very active and this way of eating works for me. I’m going to bow out now and I apologise if when I said ‘fat is fine’ that was interpreted as encouraging high levels of saturated fat. I am not. I’m just saying don’t replace fat with sugar.

@cakeorwine That was this poster who said that not me. Please again do not misquote me. It really does not help your argument here.

You have misquoted me time and time again. Is that how you win an argument? Brilliant.

That was another poster. Please correct your post or I’ll report it. You do not go around copy and pasting other posters quotes and assign them to someone else. It makes you look really bad.

I apologise - it was another poster.

I agree about sugar - and all the fructose - corn syrup stuff.

I think unsaturated fats are better than sugars - I spent a long time studying this stuff and doing research so I have a good understanding about all this.

I know my diet could be better - I know what is healthy, what the risk factors are etc - and I find all the interest in gut health fascinating.

However - I do like my meat and alcohol. I also am not a big fan of vegetables.

You do know that semi-skimmed milk and full fat milk have exactly the same amount of protein and sugars in?

(I used to test milk for proteins, sugars and fats)

Yes - it's bad, isn't it.

Sorry - I got you mixed up with someone else who was also passionate about fats.

I will edit them

Organic full fat has other benefits- such as more omega 3s and certain vitamins. Skimmed is the one with more sugar so people think they are being healthy when they are not.

Look, I don’t need to worry about my weight. Maybe those that do will go for semi skimmed. I really can’t be bothered to argue about milk.

No need to edit your post. It basically shows that you’ve spent the last 4 pages arguing with me about something I didn’t say. Over and over again.

It's only the saturated fat bit - which was separate to the NICE statins stuff - and I am sure most people can see that you were unclear on that.

The rest was about the NICE guidelines and statins - and I am not even sure what you were thinking I was thinking there.

You seemed to think that I had an opinion on who should get statins or not. Which I didn't.

I said that data should be used to ensure that people had the correct advice and could make an appropriate decision

I don't think you have a problem with people using data to make an informed decision?

Do you?

What would you advise your clients on statin prescription then?

I wouldn’t advise anybody anything about statins since I am not a doctor or qualified to do so!

Good

So what is the talk about statins then with the clients you talk to?

Your post: 1931

"Yes and this is what I’m talking about. And this is common as I talk amongst my clients. But no I don’t have any research to show that. Therefore you must be right."

You can talk to people without advising or prescribing.

I listen. I don’t advise.

Look @cakeorwine you’ve spent pages and pages misquoting me. I’m sure you’ll understand that I don’t want to engage with someone who can’t read posts properly. It was really tiresome having to wade back to find the correct post. Good luck to you!

Just 4 posts - but people can see that you clearly exaggerate

Clearly you don't want to engage about what you talk about statins with your clients.

I hope you don't give any advice on health