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My child is beyond clingy, I can't cope.

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MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 10:11

My son is nearly 4. He is very clever, funny, articulate, affectionate, and curious. He is neurotypical (we think, as well as nursery). He has always been challenging, but lately I feel like he is beyond my capabilities. For the past few months, he has been acting whiny, rude, and clingy.

He is constantly attached to me, touching my face, putting his face in mine, and jumping onto me. I am very consistent in telling him my boundaries and say "Mommy does not want to be touched right now," and firmly move him off me. I move away from him if he does it again, but he follows me, clinging to my legs, and "cries" (it is not genuine crying, but very forced and whiny). When I am ok with being touched, I invite him over for a quick hug or a cuddle. We often cuddle while watching Bluey and every evening while reading a book. I tell him I love him multiple times per day. He is still constantly seeking physical contact from me, and is never more than a foot away.

He is seemingly incapable of playing by himself. He is interested in monster trucks, Lego, remote control cars, the park, soft play, and rough play (running, jumping, and wrestling with his little brother). He will not do any of those things without someone actively playing with him. If I start playing with him and take a step back to wash dishes or change his brother's nappy, DS stops playing entirely and follows my while whining and crying. If I don't play with him, he will sit and ask incessantly for sweets (despite not being hungry) rather than picking up a toy or a book. When his brother is napping, DS refuses to play and cries that he wants sweets or to watch TV. I have limited screens to an hour per day, but it hasn't lessened any whining and there is no extra play happening.

He has always sought food when bored (asking for snacks repeatedly, whining that he's hungry immediately after meals, etc). In the past couple months, this behaviour has become far worse and he now sneaks food from the kitchen in the early mornings before I am awake. He has eaten sugar directly from the bag, peanut butter from the jar, chocolate and crackers from the cupboard... He has been very clearly told not to do this. He has a large breakfast, a healthy lunch, a healthy dinner, and two snacks per day. Sweets and dessert are available most days (if enough nutritious food has been eaten). He often refuses lunch or dinner, claiming that he isn't hungry, and I leave the plate on the table for an hour after in case he wants it later, but offer no alternative. I have started leaving a granola bar out for him in the morning so that he doesn't sneak sweets, but this morning he ate the granola bar and proceeded to scavenge the cupboards anyway.

This all sounds so negative, but I do love DS dearly. I'm just at a loss at how to help him be more independent and deal with his own boredom. I feel like a horrible parent. AIBU to have no idea how to deal with this? Any advice would be very appreciated.

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Topjoe19 · 22/03/2024 10:14

How is he getting in the cupboards? And don't you hear him or supervise him when he's up in the morning?

I think it's normal 4 year old behaviour the rest of it, 4 year olds are absolutely so trying. No advice really but solidarity. I have one!

Topjoe19 · 22/03/2024 10:15

Also is he in nursery?

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 10:16

He is very quietly climbing onto the cupboards with a footstool from the bathroom. This is happening before his 17-month-old brother or I wake up, before 6am. DS has a clock and can tell time, he has been told he cannot leave his room before 6:30am.

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MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 10:17

He is in nursery twice per week. Apparently he clings to his best friend, but is otherwise well-behaved.

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GingerIsBest · 22/03/2024 10:19

There are a lot of things here but I am not convinced he is NT. The food and stealing food is definitely a concern. He is young, so understanding social things is difficult, but by this age he should be able to understand the basics of not always been on you. What is he like with other children? I have a friend whose daughter really struggles with social stuff and one of her most obvious traits is a complete lack of understanding of physical boundaries. It is slowly getting better but at this age it was relentless and when she was 5,6,7 she had to be watched like a hawk when with other children as she would be constantly wanting to smother them with physical affection or would grab them inappropriately.

How does he behave at nursery?

Herdinggoats · 22/03/2024 10:20

Get the childproof cupboard locks?

PeatandDieselfan · 22/03/2024 10:21

Sympathies. He will grow out of it. In the meantime, I used to do something like this ...

When he comes to you for physical attention, immediately give him a quick bear hug and say something affectionate, then explain briefly what you need to do, and say, "Next hug in 2 minutes! Can you find your shoes/ colour that picture before that?"" And hope he gets distracted with something else eventually...

For the food, also classic. Just be very careful about what you buy and where you keep it. Bowl of fruit and rice crackers on the table he is always allowed to help himself from?

HolyMilkBoobiesBatman · 22/03/2024 10:27

Hmmm the food thing is a concern and I’d be wanting to address that but (and please don’t feel like I’m being harsh or judgmental, I’m absolutely not the preschool years are tough) if he is NT then I would say the combination of needing constant touch and not getting it could mean he is then seeking food for comfort.

I get that the constant touch is draining, and I certainly would have rules about not being jumped or climbed on but I think him wanting to be near you and have lots of hugs etc is a need that you need to prioritise for him - you may find that the clingyness diminishes if he knows he can be physically close to you whenever he wants on his terms rather than yours.

As far as the independent play part goes; I think that’s fairly normal - some kids can play independently at this age, some can’t, he will learn it as he grows - does he play independently at nursery?

Topjoe19 · 22/03/2024 10:28

I'd definitely get some child proof cupboard locks as pp said. It's a bit dangerous that he's roaming around & also if he choked & you didn't hear him. Maybe he's tired if he's up super early, making him clingy & wanting snacks?

bbq007 · 22/03/2024 10:31

He sounds bored and doing things to get your attention. Have you tried putting your attention fully on him for 30 minutes, getting on his level and playing with him, whatever games he likes best? My boys used to love hot wheels cars for instance, then leave him to it. I used to find if I gave them my 100% attention for pretty short periods of time, they would then be happy to potter about and entertain themselves.

Purplestorm83 · 22/03/2024 10:35

I worked in nurseries for many years, often the children would get clingy or more emotional at around this time in the year as they knew they were going to school but had no real understanding of what that means, it’s very unsettling for them. Particularly if they don’t have an older sibling already at school. Definitely get child locks for the kitchen cupboards, and I agree with a pp that giving a quick squeeze and then redirecting might be worth a try as it sounds like he is feeling insecure/unsettled at the moment.

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 10:43

I can try the "next hug in 2 minutes" suggestion. I will see if I can up the frequency physical contact.

Locks are something that I want to do, but have read is bad for children psychologically (which is why I haven't done it). I don't want to create any kind of eating disorder in my son, but as a PP said, I do very much worry about him choking or eating something he shouldn't.

Socially he is quite capable one-on-one or in small groups. He isn't keen on large groups of children, but if his best friend is there, he's totally fine. Apparently very well-behaved at nursery.

Does he not sound neurotypical? DH is autistic, so we have been looking for it in DS and actively asked nursery if they had seen anything, but they said he didn't show any signs. He also doesn't match up with the symptoms online, so I haven't sought advice from the GP.

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GingerIsBest · 22/03/2024 10:49

At this age, a lot of ND behaviour is difficult to define and spot. And while you are struggling, arguably, he is doing okay so it's understandable that you're not seeking support. Support is needed when it is negatively impacting his life/success so it may be that this is a route you go down, just not yet.

Also, remember that ND can be all kinds of things and have all kinds of different impacts. It's not uniform.

Finally, in my experience, nurseries are really bad a this, as are infant schools. They are only ever able to potentially spot hyperactive ADHD as far as I can tell. DS' school never once suggested that perhaps he has inattentive ADHD - and as I'm embarrassed to say I'd never heard of it, it didn't occur to me either.

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 11:15

I will continue to keep an eye out for any neurodiversity.

I do give him loads of time where he is my sole focus, as does DH. He doesn't seem to understand that we can't be with him 100% of the time.

He is very advanced academically (as spotted by nursery, not just me being his proud mom), but emotionally I think he will struggle not being the centre of attention when he starts reception in September and is quite young for his age.

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EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 22/03/2024 11:30

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 10:43

I can try the "next hug in 2 minutes" suggestion. I will see if I can up the frequency physical contact.

Locks are something that I want to do, but have read is bad for children psychologically (which is why I haven't done it). I don't want to create any kind of eating disorder in my son, but as a PP said, I do very much worry about him choking or eating something he shouldn't.

Socially he is quite capable one-on-one or in small groups. He isn't keen on large groups of children, but if his best friend is there, he's totally fine. Apparently very well-behaved at nursery.

Does he not sound neurotypical? DH is autistic, so we have been looking for it in DS and actively asked nursery if they had seen anything, but they said he didn't show any signs. He also doesn't match up with the symptoms online, so I haven't sought advice from the GP.

DS is autistic, with hindsight signs were there pretty much from birth. In reality, it was a lot harder to pick out and nursery and infants didn't spot anything, and in junior school they only picked up on it after I'd contacted them in despair about his behaviour at home - when they had that side of things they agreed a referral for assessment was appropriate. Prior to that though his behaviour wasn't obviously not right for his age.

longapple · 22/03/2024 11:31

One thing that might be useful - look at sensory processing disorder and interoception. The need for touch can be a common sensory thing and interoception is how the internal messages in your body are interpreted so he could maybe be misinterpreting signals and thinking something else is hunger?

Singleandproud · 22/03/2024 11:42
  1. A four year old cannot tell time, perhaps a glow clock that's different colours but learning to tell the time is an incredibly challenging skill.

  2. You do not know if he has any SEND or not, he is four, many of these conditions are not picked up until Secondary school. Especially if a parent is autistic then it is likely, nursery nor school staff are trained to assess for autism.

  3. Locks on bedroom doors are bad yes, children shouldn't be locked in their rooms, a sliding latch at the top of the kitchen door so he can't access it until an adult is awake and cupboard locks are not a issue.

  4. Four year olds are clingy, they just are, 4 year olds with younger siblings especially so as they compete for attention. Many children don't play alone. He follows you into the kitchen - that's what fridge magnets are for, or give him a clean cloth so he can help you by cleaning the front of the cupboards.

Rainwind65 · 22/03/2024 11:54

Your DS sounds so much like mine when henwas young. He has ADHD and SPD, and spoke so early, full sentences as18 month old, and every aspect of academia just excelling. He also had a lot of sensory needs, being held, touched constantly, can't play alone, always asking questions or just stepping on every boundaries I set. Extremely bright but super challenging.

He didn't get diagnosed until Y4. He know is doing much better, we do OT and it helps him a lot to regulate his feelings and needs.

Just keep an eye on him, he might still be too young to fully be looked into any neurodiversity and especially there is no learning difficulties, Nursery and school can overlook a lot as my DS's main sturiggle is social and emotional aspect and he is too smart to show it in public setting.

Loggingin · 22/03/2024 11:57

Yes I was going to suggest a grow clock which glows yellow when it's officially morning time. You can set it to get incrementally later to train him to stay in bed a bit later. Perhaps a sticker reward chart for each day he manages to stay in bed/his room until morning and then after 7 stickers he gets a reward such as a small new toy?

We do similar with our 4yo and I have an Amazon wish list full of toys (under £5) which he is allowed to pick from each time he achieves all his stickers.

I was never someone who thought I'd use sticker charts but it has actually worked!

Also agree that a child lock on the kitchen door is what's needed. We use this one on our home office otherwise DS will burst in and interrupt DH Zoom calls - it is great and so simple: amzn.eu/d/eCKLunG

BroughttoyoubyBerocca · 22/03/2024 12:07

I would put a hard stop on him using the stool to climb cupboards, accident waiting to happen.

cestlavielife · 22/03/2024 12:12

Seek advice from behaviour expert
Ask nursery to refer you
Some one to come and observe then advise strategies
It may be about how you communicate to him, using time timers, visual schedules etc
He is communicating
Think ABC charts

Lammveg · 22/03/2024 12:16

He might be a sensory seeker, you can Google some activities to do with him (like pushing things, putting a backpack on him when he's walking) and see if that helps.

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 12:20

Singleandproud · 22/03/2024 11:42

  1. A four year old cannot tell time, perhaps a glow clock that's different colours but learning to tell the time is an incredibly challenging skill.

  2. You do not know if he has any SEND or not, he is four, many of these conditions are not picked up until Secondary school. Especially if a parent is autistic then it is likely, nursery nor school staff are trained to assess for autism.

  3. Locks on bedroom doors are bad yes, children shouldn't be locked in their rooms, a sliding latch at the top of the kitchen door so he can't access it until an adult is awake and cupboard locks are not a issue.

  4. Four year olds are clingy, they just are, 4 year olds with younger siblings especially so as they compete for attention. Many children don't play alone. He follows you into the kitchen - that's what fridge magnets are for, or give him a clean cloth so he can help you by cleaning the front of the cupboards.

DS can tell time on a digital clock. He has always been interested in numbers and letters, and always asked about the clock on the microwave; he wound up learning how to tell time very young. I know it's not normal, but it is very real in this instance.

DS hasn't been diagnosed with anything and is not under any investigations (and certainly doesn't present typically) so I felt it reasonable to say that he is neurotypical. Similarly, I haven't been assessed and would therefore Sy that I am neurotypical, despite having no evidence.

I will reconsider locks on the cupboards.

We have fridge magnets. DS won't use them, as he is literally attached to my legs. I have given DS a cloth to help me tidy, but unless he is clinging to me, he won't participate. It's not a case of being in the same room, it's a case of being held at all times.

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anywherehollie · 22/03/2024 12:28

He sounds exactly like my 10 year old son who has ADHD. My son is still clingy/obsessed with me with no boundaries, always has hold of my hand/body, always in my face. I have two other boys who are not like this at all.

My eldest is even the same with food! My other boys don't ransack the cupboards but my eldest will steal and eat spoons of sugar it's wild...

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 12:34

Rainwind65 · 22/03/2024 11:54

Your DS sounds so much like mine when henwas young. He has ADHD and SPD, and spoke so early, full sentences as18 month old, and every aspect of academia just excelling. He also had a lot of sensory needs, being held, touched constantly, can't play alone, always asking questions or just stepping on every boundaries I set. Extremely bright but super challenging.

He didn't get diagnosed until Y4. He know is doing much better, we do OT and it helps him a lot to regulate his feelings and needs.

Just keep an eye on him, he might still be too young to fully be looked into any neurodiversity and especially there is no learning difficulties, Nursery and school can overlook a lot as my DS's main sturiggle is social and emotional aspect and he is too smart to show it in public setting.

Oh wow, your first paragraph sounds exactly like DS. He spoke super early and has always been interested in reading, maths, and understanding the purpose behind numbers and letters.

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