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My child is beyond clingy, I can't cope.

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MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 10:11

My son is nearly 4. He is very clever, funny, articulate, affectionate, and curious. He is neurotypical (we think, as well as nursery). He has always been challenging, but lately I feel like he is beyond my capabilities. For the past few months, he has been acting whiny, rude, and clingy.

He is constantly attached to me, touching my face, putting his face in mine, and jumping onto me. I am very consistent in telling him my boundaries and say "Mommy does not want to be touched right now," and firmly move him off me. I move away from him if he does it again, but he follows me, clinging to my legs, and "cries" (it is not genuine crying, but very forced and whiny). When I am ok with being touched, I invite him over for a quick hug or a cuddle. We often cuddle while watching Bluey and every evening while reading a book. I tell him I love him multiple times per day. He is still constantly seeking physical contact from me, and is never more than a foot away.

He is seemingly incapable of playing by himself. He is interested in monster trucks, Lego, remote control cars, the park, soft play, and rough play (running, jumping, and wrestling with his little brother). He will not do any of those things without someone actively playing with him. If I start playing with him and take a step back to wash dishes or change his brother's nappy, DS stops playing entirely and follows my while whining and crying. If I don't play with him, he will sit and ask incessantly for sweets (despite not being hungry) rather than picking up a toy or a book. When his brother is napping, DS refuses to play and cries that he wants sweets or to watch TV. I have limited screens to an hour per day, but it hasn't lessened any whining and there is no extra play happening.

He has always sought food when bored (asking for snacks repeatedly, whining that he's hungry immediately after meals, etc). In the past couple months, this behaviour has become far worse and he now sneaks food from the kitchen in the early mornings before I am awake. He has eaten sugar directly from the bag, peanut butter from the jar, chocolate and crackers from the cupboard... He has been very clearly told not to do this. He has a large breakfast, a healthy lunch, a healthy dinner, and two snacks per day. Sweets and dessert are available most days (if enough nutritious food has been eaten). He often refuses lunch or dinner, claiming that he isn't hungry, and I leave the plate on the table for an hour after in case he wants it later, but offer no alternative. I have started leaving a granola bar out for him in the morning so that he doesn't sneak sweets, but this morning he ate the granola bar and proceeded to scavenge the cupboards anyway.

This all sounds so negative, but I do love DS dearly. I'm just at a loss at how to help him be more independent and deal with his own boredom. I feel like a horrible parent. AIBU to have no idea how to deal with this? Any advice would be very appreciated.

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SometimesMaybe · 22/03/2024 12:34

My DD was like this - some children just aren’t great at being on their own. My DS could play for ages on his own but not my DD.

At about this age I had had enough too. What I found worked (to a certain extent) was playing something for a short period of time then leaving her sayin “you are going to do this for 5/10/15 mins now whilst mum does xyz”. Started with very small timescales and built up from there. I also only played games I wanted to - eg I would read, do jigsaws board games etc but didn’t do imaginative play - I would help them set up a den but they then needed to play in it on their own!

as a teenager she is still
not great at occupying herself but it it easier to deal with now!

Singleandproud · 22/03/2024 12:39

Try a deep pressure vest, you'll find them on SEND resource website, they wear it and feel like they are being hugged.

I still stand by a four year old reading a clock is not normal development for a neurotypical child. My DD could read properly at that age, however she is assessed as being Twice Exceptional (autistic and highly gifted) didn't get assessed until she was 13 though. She has never had any challenging behaviour, or flapping etc and loved Primary school where she excelled. However she was incapable of playing by herself, she has never freestyle played in her life, she would re-enact something we had already played or what she had seen on TV or read. She would play with Lego but only takes make exactly what the instructions said to make. She is incredibly skilled at creative activities but cannot use her imagination to come up with her own creations.
Can't tell if she's hungry or thirsty, can't tell mid ranges of temperatures etc

Oh and the schools never picked up on any of her autistic traits, I did as I worked in that area at the time. Her Yr 1 teacher made a passing comment that she preferred to observe other children although did have friends, and her year 4 teacher rang me because she had only written a couple of lines for creative writing but had written pages in their geography topic. Other than that nothing was ever mentioned.

Neveralonewithaclone · 22/03/2024 12:52

My son, now in his 30s, was like this. I couldn't move a muscle without him clinging to me and he couldn't be trusted not to turn everything upside down. I had to hide all bathroom stuff till he was 8. He couldn't play alone, or be alone really.

When your ds was a baby how was his startle reflex? My ds's was crazy, he was very very hyperaware/on edge. Also I knew if there was a pond or something he'd definitely jump in it if i wasn't holding on to him.

It wasn't picked up at school because he was perfectly able to sit still through the lesson (being stimulated) and also was always at or near the top of the class. But he was desperate for constant direction and stimulation and couldn't do anything alone.

He's still much the same really, can't watch tv or read a book for pleasure and is uncomfortable unless "something" is happening. And only satisfied for the duration of the activity.

Anyway..... he's getting tested now, I'm convinced it's a type of adhd and a type of asd but not the stereotypical kinds. I wish I'd realised earlier but his sociability and intelligence masked it.

My entire family is absolutely littered with asd and adhd so I should have realised. The good news is that your ds is very young and you have lots of time to explore alleviations.

If you can afford it i would look for a private psychologist rather than wait for the council.

Probablygreen · 22/03/2024 12:58

I will also say he sounds exactly like my son, who is 8 with ADHD and autism. He has never to this day played on his own, and people will say that that can’t be true, or I mustn’t give him enough 1:1 attention, but he literally follows me around the house helping me with jobs because he’d rather do that than play on his own. Getting a Nintendo Switch for Christmas has been a lifesaver, because he has finally found something he can do on his own, even if he does have to be glued to me on the sofa and talking me through what he’s doing while he plays 🤣
He had food issues exactly the same as your son’s right up to starting ADHD medication, then it miraculously stopped. I know when his medication wears off because he starts talking about food incessantly, and he eats loads, so it’s not because he’s hungry.
He’s never had a whiny voice with it though, so I can imagine how that’s worse!

Neveralonewithaclone · 22/03/2024 13:00

Also, he's very very intelligent. If i want to know anything about anything i just ask him. Really random stuff about structures of language or origins of obscure language, politics in far flung countries. How diamonds are formed, anything. Can't mow a lawn or organise laundry though. It's actually really sad, he couldn't manage uni because he couldn't handle daily life organisation and so just sought destructive stimulation.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 22/03/2024 13:00

My Dd was EXACTLY like this. Especially the play thing. Never ever played alone. It was a nightmare.

And the food. Constantly hungry. I’d give her a meal, 5 minutes later she was hungry again. It became a real battle to maintain her weight.

Diagnosed ASd at 16 and ADHD at 17. The food issues were sensory /self soothing and dopamine hits. The inability to play alone was inability to focus.

Now on meds and like a different person.

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 13:01

As a baby, DS was colicky and woke every 45 minutes for the first 8 months. He didn't really startle. He didn't like going to strangers for cuddles, only people who were around a lot (very few during Covid times, as he was born in the first lockdown). There was so much crying for the first year and a half, and I hate to say it, but it was miserable.

He cried far less when he was able to speak, which was shortly before 18 months, and in short sentences. He was still very clingy, but being able to communicate made him far happier. He started having some very positive personality traits starting to shine through and he started being able to bond with more people than just me and DH.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 22/03/2024 13:04

Probablygreen · 22/03/2024 12:58

I will also say he sounds exactly like my son, who is 8 with ADHD and autism. He has never to this day played on his own, and people will say that that can’t be true, or I mustn’t give him enough 1:1 attention, but he literally follows me around the house helping me with jobs because he’d rather do that than play on his own. Getting a Nintendo Switch for Christmas has been a lifesaver, because he has finally found something he can do on his own, even if he does have to be glued to me on the sofa and talking me through what he’s doing while he plays 🤣
He had food issues exactly the same as your son’s right up to starting ADHD medication, then it miraculously stopped. I know when his medication wears off because he starts talking about food incessantly, and he eats loads, so it’s not because he’s hungry.
He’s never had a whiny voice with it though, so I can imagine how that’s worse!

The relief of finding this post.

My Dd was exactly the same. Never played alone. It nearly gave me a nervous breakdown when she was little. I had to have external help. ( When the nhs was still functioning)

And the food issues. Now at 17 she’s got no interest in food.

Phineyj · 22/03/2024 13:06

My DD was very like this. Bit better at 11 (diagnosed with ADHD and ASD at 7...DH realised at that stage he ticked all the same boxes).

A sensory OT assessment could be useful for ideas - or just reading about what they do could be helpful.

DD is a massive sensory seeker so at this age we did lots of swings, swimming, dough, sand etc. Trampoline etc.

11NigelTufnel · 22/03/2024 13:08

There are several signs here pointing to the possibility of your son not being neurotypical. Pretty hard to tell at this age, but be open to it.

If he is sensory seeking with food, you could try a textures plate, so include say Crisps, veg sticks, yoghurt, grapes, biltong etc for lots of different sensory input in one snack/meal.

For personal space boundaries, keep repeating and redirecting

Neveralonewithaclone · 22/03/2024 13:09

I remember my son was very hard work as a baby, he had to be held or interacted with just all the time. A wind up swing saved our bacon, he couldn't resist the swinging motion, or get out of the straps 🤣

My second son who has more stereotypical asd, without adhd, is MUCH easier and always has been. And was more easily diagnosed.

I remember (with ds1) these one way conversations about car exhausts (types thereof) when he was about 3/4 that drove me spare. And an 11 hour car journey of being told about dinosaurs, non stop. Towards the end of the journey my husband actually started drinking as i drove 🤣

Phineyj · 22/03/2024 13:12

Also got her some "chewelry" in an attempt to stop her chewing fingers and toes...

Neveralonewithaclone · 22/03/2024 13:12

"The food issues were sensory /self soothing and dopamine hits" - ahhhhh thank you so much!!!!

TheFormidableMrsC · 22/03/2024 13:14

He's sensory seeking and I would consider that he is very possibly Neurodiverse because of your DH. My ASD son also sensory seeks with food, it's a big problem, especially now he's older. I really do have to hide and ration sweet things or any fizzy drinks we have in the house.

TheFormidableMrsC · 22/03/2024 13:14

Phineyj · 22/03/2024 13:12

Also got her some "chewelry" in an attempt to stop her chewing fingers and toes...

Yes, Chewigems. Very useful! Also towelling wrist bands for fabric chewers!

Rainwind65 · 22/03/2024 13:14

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 12:34

Oh wow, your first paragraph sounds exactly like DS. He spoke super early and has always been interested in reading, maths, and understanding the purpose behind numbers and letters.

Yes my DS could also tell time really early and did a simple math at 2 like 4+9 =13 in his head so helped me at the supermarket with correct changes 😂 No one really believed me when I said it but it just came really natural / easy to him.

I also used the sling until he was 4, constantly carrying him, him touching my hair falling asleep in his sling...😱 Terrible sleeper and incredible tantrums.

He still struggles emotionally and socially but found his strength and his tribe and going to all boy grammar in September... I honestly couldn't believe he would some day leave me alone but now much better at his needs and we have a great bond. Hang in there OP!

Neveralonewithaclone · 22/03/2024 13:15

I've often wondered about dopamine!!! I know there's 'something' wrong. My ds was diagnosed with dysthymia and then double depression. But just none of the diagnoses seem correct.

Citalopram did nothing but sertraline is helping. But everything is just very different, and sadly he seeks destructive stimulation too.

idontlikealdi · 22/03/2024 13:21

Sounds like some kind of ND op, particularly with your husband being diagnosed.

We had a gate on Dts bedroom door until they were 4.5 for their own safety. The door was never shut.

I'd get a top bolt on the kitchen door.

Maray1967 · 22/03/2024 13:26

I second the suggestion by a PP of getting locks fitted to the kitchen door, not cupboard doors. He shouldn’t be roaming round in there when you’re not up. Don’t get a bolt, he’ll try to climb up and slide it. You need a key operated lock and he mustn’t see where you put the key …

I also think you need to get down on the floor and play with him for a time and then leave him to continue. I had to train one of mine to get used to this, but he got there. There might also be some jealousy of the younger sibling as well - it doesn’t always appear when they’re born, but can often appear later on when they understand how much you’re doing for the baby/toddler.

VivaVivaa · 22/03/2024 13:32

Nearly everything you have written I could write about DS1. Colicky, unsettled, high crying, low sleeping baby. Stopped crying when he could walk (late) and talk (exceptionally early) but was still a very clingy, high needs toddler. Now nearly 4. Cant tolerate being alone at all. Follows me everywhere asking question after question or just giving me a running commentary of his thoughts. Really struggles with ‘play’. Can only play if others basically do it for him. High desire for instant pleasure hits, eg food and TV. Not a cuddly child but likes to be in my face all the time. No idea about personal boundaries. On the surface seems very social and popular but actually uses his intelligence a lot to mask clear differences to his peers. Can do pretty complex maths (above the level of my 7 yo nephew) and is slowly trying to learn to read. Exceptional memory. Cannot cope with writing or drawing as finds fine motor really difficult.

Im almost certain we will be looking at a ND diagnosis in the future. I suspect it’ll be while though as his clear intelligence means it’ll be a while until school pick anything up.

MooseBreath · 22/03/2024 13:37

@VivaVivaa Yes, this sounds exactly like DS.

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noctilucentcloud · 22/03/2024 13:42

I know you've said you left a granola bar out, but could you also leave some fruit / veg that he can help himself to before breakfast - almost create a these are your snacks you can have any time box which is easy to access, whereas the rest of the food is off limits unless an adult says it's ok?

sunshine237 · 22/03/2024 13:49

Came to mention interoception and dopamine seeking but can see others have already pointed these out.

Btw dd has a few traits and could also tell basic time on a normal clock by age 4 ie she knew which hour it was and a rough idea of the minutes. She had her own clock from very young and is

sunshine237 · 22/03/2024 13:53

Oops my ds posted that for me too soon! Meant to say,

... and is still quite attached to it.

Neveralonewithaclone · 22/03/2024 14:33

A lot of these posts are blowing my mind, they're so similar to ds1.

Ds2 is much more typical asd, and also not as bright, he's of average intelligence. And is a much happier, easier person perfectly able to self soothe.

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