Who is being unreasonable - it's a driving one (with diagram!)

[chickenfeathers]

Who is being unreasonable in this situation?

Car A (large, transit sized) indicated and turned left into a very narrow side road. There was a parked car half on the footpath on their side of the road, and a car waiting to pull out onto the busier main road. Car A is partially obscuring this drivers view trying to pull out due to where the parked car is (on a blind corner 🙄).

Car B (very small car) is almost level with the parked car. Nothing behind them. Car A waits for car B to reverse back but the driver doesn't. Car B then moves forward to behind the car waiting to pull out, despite car A gesturing for them to reverse back to allow them through easier.

Car A may have fitted through the gap, but it would have been very, very tight. Car B driver then shouts at car A driver they "would have got through" and "they need to learn to drive". A short heated exchange then occurs until car B is able to finally move forward.

So who was in the wrong here?

Car A - they should have tried to drive through the gap

Car B - they should have reversed to allow car A though with more room.

It's the opposite where I live. Those turning in wait with their indicator on.

It's probably why we get these issues. Everyone expects people to do what they do in their area.

Would be mega helpful if twats stopped parking on corners though.

The rear end of Car A was obscuring the vision of the car waiting to pull out of the junction. This is why car A politely gestured for Car B to reverse back slightly (their side was completely clear) and allow car A to move, allowing the other car to see and pull out safely.

It's probably why we get these issues. Everyone expects people to do what they do in their area.

This!

This
Car A wait to be able to pass the obstruction
Car B's right of way

Then car b has to "creep" out of the junction until sighted.

Are you car A? Op

Very professional diagram, thanks!

We have a junction like this by DC's nursery so it's a daily thing.

The issue is that if A doesn't think they can fit and the one turning out can't see as they would like whilst A is blocking the view, then it's gridlock unless B reverses.

However, aside from that I also agree with what @Flocke said about rights of way.

It's more about common sense get everyone moving again quickly than "being in the wrong".

P.S. top marks for diagram colours and neatness!

Agree with PP; car A just has to sit and wait (no gesturing) as the obstruction is on their side. The car waiting to pull out has to creep and peep. Some junctions are blind; drivers need to be able to cope with this

Car A should have waited until it was clear to go around the parked car. Car B should have continued on their way to the end of the road.

I can't believe all the people who think Car B should reverse. I mean sure, if you want to be nice, but it's a bloody intersection and waiting for a minute or two is perfectly reasonable. The only time you should be reversing in a situation like this is fi you're at a total impasse so that waiting would have zero impact.

Car A should therefore not have asked Car B to reverse. Totally ridiculous. Car A should just have waited.

I will also say that in my experience with an irritating road where cars park and make the road narrower, there are an astonishing number of drivers who seem to have no idea how to judge width - there is plenty of space for cars to be parked AND two way traffic to flow but most drivers don't seem to understand that - so I'm inclined to think it's entirely possible that Car A could have fit through the gap. But fair enough, if Car A didn't feel comfortable or confident doing that, then Car A needed to sit and wait for Car B to drive past.

If I had been in car B, I would have held back or reversed back for car A. If I had been in car A, I would have just sat and waited for the other cars to pull out into the main road.

Neither of your options is correct.

Like others have said, the obstruction was on Car A's side of the road therefore Car A was obligated to give way and hold back until it was safe to continue. Car B was not obligated to allow Car A through. The car waiting to pull out would just have to creep and peep until they were safe to continue.

It's a difficult one really. Car B probably should have reversed (as they could do so easily) and they shouldn't have started shouting.

Alternatively, you could argue that car A needed to wait until the path was clear before proceeding.

But car B seems to be the least helpful here (refusing to move to allow another vehicle to progress).

Yeah, excellent diagram! 👍🏼

I think as it’s clear A was stuck in a potentially dangerous situation (OP says it’s difficult to see round the corner so someone else could have turned left from the main road and bumped into them) and was also obscuring the view of the car trying to pull out, B should have had taken one for the team and reversed back a bit so A could get through better.

Car B saw a waiting car at the junction and should have stopped before the parked car to leave enough room for people turning in to get around (this is what I do daily on my commute due to one car that insists on parking outside their house on the junction!)

Car B therefore caused a blockage and to be polite could have reversed back.

Failing that, car A just waits for the inconsiderate car B to move forward, and car C (right turner) has to peep and creep because car B decided to inconvenience two other people by not just leaving space!

B couldn't go anywhere anyway as there was a car waiting to turn out onto the main road. B blocked the road unnecessarily and the polite thing to do would be reverse to allow A through and subsequently help the car pulling out to pull out more safely and quickly.

But nobody has any courtesy on the roads any more, people are arrogant and obstructive on purpose a lot of the time, just like B was in this scenario. He couldn't progress so should have had some courtesy instead of stopping others from progressing with their journey.

So who was in the wrong here?

The dick who parked half on the pavement right next to a junction.

it is indeed.
and for further excellence,
those are footways not footpaths, in all probability.

But the reason Car A was obscuring the view was because they had started a manouvre they could not complete safely - and was, therefore, in the wrong.

Car B revsersing - while probably the most practical solution in the situation - is the one 'making up' for other people's mmistakes.

We had similar when stuck on a road which has 5 alternating chicanes . An arsehole had parked in the section and then vehicles who had the right of way went through but then blocked the route so everyone was stuck.
lots of hand gestures/move out of the way.....etc. at that point i did ask where the fuck hed like me to go.
With a little bit of courtesy and commonsense it would never have been an issue but the real arsehole is the one parked up in a stupid place!

Best diagram I've seen on mumsnet!!! misses point

Car B has right of way so, technically, Car A should wait. In reality though, Car B should have anticipated that they would block the road by stopping beside the parked car, and should have left a gap. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, though, I accept they probably pulled up beside the parked car because they assumed that Turning Car would be gone in a few seconds, and they (Car B) would be out of Car A's way promptly.

However, when it became clear that Turning Car's view was blocked by Car A, Car B should have reversed to let them through. A bit annoying, a bit of a faff, but absolutely no need for shouting at each other.