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Segregation at playtimes

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PlaytimeBlues · 20/03/2024 08:49

My DD, 9, is in year five. The class teacher has told us the kids are often falling out at playtimes with bickering and name-calling that has led to disruption in class.

They’ve decided to deal with this by dividing the children into groups at playtimes - most of the class is in a general group that can go where they like and interact with anyone as they please, and then two groups that have to wear bibs (yellow and green). The greens have to stay in one area, the yellows in a different area, and they are not allowed to move out of these designated areas. The general population are allowed to interact with the groups in bibs, if they choose to.

When this was introduced my DD was really upset, saying that she felt she was marked out as a ‘naughty kid’ by having to wear a bib, and unhappy that she couldn’t be with the friends she normally plays with. Friends in the free-range group can play with her, but only if they choose to go to the area she’s in. The teacher has insisted DD is not a ‘naughty kid’ and that this way of doing things is to encourage children to make different friendships - it’s not a punishment, but a way of defusing the arguments.

AIBU to feel uncomfortable with this? Or is this a perfectly normal way of dealing with behavioural issues? I feel like the bib-wearing and confinement to certain areas is stigmatising and it’s been going on for nearly a month now. I’m not one to complain to teachers lightly and feel I need some perspective on this.

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Soonenough · 20/03/2024 15:11

Sorry I think this sounds absolutely appalling. Like someone already said smacks of a bizarre social experiment . Next there will be a kid in the corner with a Dunce hat on. Can't believe this is for real . Love to know what Head / teacher sanctioned this . Maybe devotees of Animal Farm or Lord of the Flies???

MirageAC · 20/03/2024 15:24

The teacher is probably not being as transparent as she should be. Your child is probably ”naughty” and this is an easy way to prevent disruption at playtime 🤷‍♀️. I have seen this before, school do “interventions” don’t tell parents the true nature of things and then wonder why parents react.

Goldbar · 20/03/2024 16:08

I think you've been clear, OP, that you're open to being told your child is "naughty" and that's why she's being singled out.

What you don't like (and I agree with you) is the notion that she is being arbitrarily penalised as a cog in a wider group behaviour strategy, with therefore no way available to her to "earn" her way into the apparently favoured group.

KillerTomato7 · 20/03/2024 16:28

INeedAnotherName · 20/03/2024 11:48

I might be totally wrong here, I also don't think what they are doing is right but I also have no idea how many bickering children they are dealing with.

In a large family if siblings/cousins are constantly low level bickering, snide comments, snippy, then they are eventually sent to different parts of the house. The ones who respond to goading tend to be given the "nicer" parts of the house such as lounge whereas the instigators tend to be sent to their rooms. This could be seen as favouring certain children as they "all" bicker.

DD can get silly sometimes,
High spirits, she can get pulled into 'showing off' in front of a group.
but yes, they will join in bickering sometimes.

Sounds like she/her actions are causing reactions in others. In a different group or school or even age, this would not be a problem. However, in this particular moment in time your DDs showing off and silliness is causing enough serious ripples across the school pond for her to be apart from the others.

So she isn't deliberately being naughty but I think, as her parent, you need to help teach her that showing off is not a particularly nice personality trait to have, nobody appreciates a showing off adult for instance, nobody. Nor is high spirits. We all moderate our behaviour and speech to where/who we are with. Cause and effect - your dd is one of the causes, the resulting bickering is effect.

I hope I'm not coming across as nasty, I don't mean to be.

Edited

You’re not being nasty, but I also think it’s time for the teacher to stop inviting guessing games about what each child is doing and start articulating the actual reasons children are placed in one group or the other. It is after all her job.

At this point, it’s as if everyone is trying to decipher omens from the gods.

KillerTomato7 · 20/03/2024 16:32

CagneyAndLazy · 20/03/2024 12:50

With respect, not fighting or swearing at teachers is a pretty low bar for acceptable behaviour.

Could it be that she's been involved in some low-level disruptive behaviour or, dare I say it, bullying?

If that’s the case, it is the teacher’s professional obligation to say so. Simply putting a group of students in an obviously stigmatized group without being able to explain the reasoning looks like gross incompetence.

Kathy34 · 20/03/2024 16:41

Nope. This seems wrong. There's got to be other ways. We did "play peers" and paired a student with another with great behavior. We also partnered up some good kids with other good kids. Kept a eye to see who played alone and gave them a partner. Peer modeling is a good thing :)

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