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To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

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Redrosetat · 15/03/2024 15:56

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

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Clavinova · 19/03/2024 21:07

JessS1990
Do you have a link for the yougov poll?

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/issue/Voting_Intention

bombastix · 19/03/2024 21:09

Just on women and whether a party cares. Harriet Harman (Labour) has put down an amendment to the Criminal Justice Bill to strip sexual offenders of parental responsibility automatically on conviction.

Currently even a man who has abused his own children will retain parental responsibility.

I hope all parties back this amendment; improving the lives of mothers and their children. The government has not yet agreed to adopt it.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/parental-responsibility-sex-abuse-children-b2512869.html

As you were; and sorry for the brief hijack

Clavinova · 19/03/2024 21:16

Electoral Calculus have been wrong before.

Electoral Calculus got 1992 spectacularly wrong. We predicted a Labour victory, but with a hung parliament. In fact the Conservatives were returned to office with a reduced majority.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/trackrecord.html

The headline prediction for the May 2015 election was not accurate. The final prediction was for a hung parliament with Labour/SNP as the largest bloc. The actual result was a small Conservative majority.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/trackrecord_15errors.html

The headline prediction for the June 2017 election was not accurate. The final prediction was for a Conservative majority government with a majority of 66. The actual result was that the Conservatives were short eight seats of a majority.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/trackrecord_17errors.html

WaterWeasel · 19/03/2024 21:19

The GE will not go all Labour's way for sure and they will not get the majority they are expecting.

JessS1990 · 19/03/2024 21:19

Clavinova · 19/03/2024 21:16

Electoral Calculus have been wrong before.

Electoral Calculus got 1992 spectacularly wrong. We predicted a Labour victory, but with a hung parliament. In fact the Conservatives were returned to office with a reduced majority.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/trackrecord.html

The headline prediction for the May 2015 election was not accurate. The final prediction was for a hung parliament with Labour/SNP as the largest bloc. The actual result was a small Conservative majority.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/trackrecord_15errors.html

The headline prediction for the June 2017 election was not accurate. The final prediction was for a Conservative majority government with a majority of 66. The actual result was that the Conservatives were short eight seats of a majority.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/trackrecord_17errors.html

@Clavinova are you one of the 2% of people who still believe the Tories will have a large majority after the next election?

JessS1990 · 19/03/2024 21:20

WaterWeasel · 19/03/2024 21:19

The GE will not go all Labour's way for sure and they will not get the majority they are expecting.

@WaterWeasel are you one of the 2% of people who are expecting a large Tory majority at the next election?

ThatQuickFinch · 19/03/2024 21:20

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:06

@ThisQuickFinch @ThatQuickFinch how come you name changed?

I deleted my account last night to try and resist the desire to keep posting (when I should be working).

Evidently, it has not gone well!

WaterWeasel · 19/03/2024 21:20

JessS1990 · 19/03/2024 21:19

@Clavinova are you one of the 2% of people who still believe the Tories will have a large majority after the next election?

Are you capable of any nuance in your thoughts/posting at all?

JessS1990 · 19/03/2024 21:23

WaterWeasel · 19/03/2024 21:20

Are you capable of any nuance in your thoughts/posting at all?

Did you mean to reply to a different post?

Clavinova · 19/03/2024 21:35

JessS1990
@ Clavinova are you one of the 2% of people who still believe the Tories will have a large majority after the next election?

What an odd question - my post didn't suggest that - quite the opposite if you read the extracts.

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:35

ThatQuickFinch · 19/03/2024 21:20

I deleted my account last night to try and resist the desire to keep posting (when I should be working).

Evidently, it has not gone well!

Oh.

Your response below was interesting. I’m surprised anyone who cares about single sex spaces would not care which ones were included

cardibach · 19/03/2024 21:35

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 20:33

You have not listed which spaces

I’d love to hear them

No You wouldnt. I’m simply not wasting my time in you any more.

JessS1990 · 19/03/2024 21:36

Clavinova · 19/03/2024 21:35

JessS1990
@ Clavinova are you one of the 2% of people who still believe the Tories will have a large majority after the next election?

What an odd question - my post didn't suggest that - quite the opposite if you read the extracts.

Merely a musing I was having. I guess we can cross you off the list of possible suspects.

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:38

cardibach · 19/03/2024 21:35

No You wouldnt. I’m simply not wasting my time in you any more.

Oh course I would

Which spaces do Labour think is reasonable? It’s the difference between none, just prisons or more

You can just say you don’t know btw.

cardibach · 19/03/2024 21:40

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:38

Oh course I would

Which spaces do Labour think is reasonable? It’s the difference between none, just prisons or more

You can just say you don’t know btw.

We both know what they mean. Places where it actually matters. You just don’t want to hear it. I won’t be replying to you again on this thread.

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:42

cardibach · 19/03/2024 21:40

We both know what they mean. Places where it actually matters. You just don’t want to hear it. I won’t be replying to you again on this thread.

Places where it actually matters.

Which are?

Are you aware of how much debate there is around this? Where it actually matters will depend on who is deciding

So Labour should let us know, why the mystery?

It’s pretty crucial

ThatQuickFinch · 19/03/2024 21:44

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:35

Oh.

Your response below was interesting. I’m surprised anyone who cares about single sex spaces would not care which ones were included

As I have said, multiple times, I would not expect Labour to commit to any particular spaces ahead of carrying out a fulsome analysis with respect to what will be permissible in the context of Article 8. This is presumably the same reason that Badenoch is not giving particulars either.

cardibach · 19/03/2024 21:44

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:42

Places where it actually matters.

Which are?

Are you aware of how much debate there is around this? Where it actually matters will depend on who is deciding

So Labour should let us know, why the mystery?

It’s pretty crucial

I won’t be replying to you again on this thread.
You clearly missed his, so I’ve copied it.

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:45

As for not replying ever again really that’s fine on any thread you wish but it’s due to not being able to answer on this one

JessS1990 · 19/03/2024 21:47

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:45

As for not replying ever again really that’s fine on any thread you wish but it’s due to not being able to answer on this one

Talking of not being answered.

Did we get to the bottom of why the Equalities Minister was not in parliament on Friday using her leadership skills to ensure that the bill that concerns her so greatly was debated?
Or why she hasn't proposed that the government adopt the bill to ensure its passage through parliament as sometimes happens with PMBs?

cardibach · 19/03/2024 21:47

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:45

As for not replying ever again really that’s fine on any thread you wish but it’s due to not being able to answer on this one

Nope

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:47

Why do questions on single sex spaces upset Labour?

Maybe they should clarify what they mean, there’s an idea

JessS1990 · 19/03/2024 21:49

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:47

Why do questions on single sex spaces upset Labour?

Maybe they should clarify what they mean, there’s an idea

Why do questions about why the government have not done anything for months upset Tory fans?

cardibach · 19/03/2024 21:49

JessS1990 · 19/03/2024 21:47

Talking of not being answered.

Did we get to the bottom of why the Equalities Minister was not in parliament on Friday using her leadership skills to ensure that the bill that concerns her so greatly was debated?
Or why she hasn't proposed that the government adopt the bill to ensure its passage through parliament as sometimes happens with PMBs?

No, we didn’t.
Or get clarification about the insult I was supposed to have delivered to @EasternStandard
Can you answer that one @EasternStandard ?