To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

[Redrosetat]

https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

That’s what I just said. 🤷‍♀️

A vote for Tories is a disaster for women. Don’t kid yourself.

ThatQuickFinch can you please show me where you found this statement from Liz Truss? Thanks

At that time, she also said she had no interest in banning trans people from single sex spaces

Everyone knows that.

Well, most people know that.

I'm not a Tory voter but given the current Labour stance it's hard to fathom which is worse.

In the long run it could be Labour given their stance on this issue.

As is a vote for Labour, the Greens or the Lib Dems. It's a fucking disgrace, all of it.

Only if you focus on one issue. It’s patently obvious which is worse if you look at the bigger picture.

Firstly the poll that I was referring to is in the US so Truss doesn't know how many men have woman gender there.

Secondly even though those figures are relatively low in terms of percentagest of the population they still skew data.

Why would anyone think it is a good idea I have no idea?

Not all women will vote one way in a poll, not all men who identify as women will vote one way in a poll but it is impossible to tell which of the votes are from women and which are from men with woman gender which makes gathering statistical data on what females think incredibly difficult.

This is not a good idea.

And was that number from the linked documents from 6 years ago? I would hazard a guess it will be significantly more men who claim woman gender now that they can see the benefits of it for so little output on their part.

This one issue overrides all women's rights.

How do we know which issues effect which sex when they are not defined by sex and we can't collate accurate data?

This one issue overrides all women's rights.

In your opinion.

No it’s not. You can’t just say stuff with no evidence.

Labour know how to make this better though don’t they. They’ll enable men’s access to women and children in safe spaces.

They will have to answer to this in future. And so will everyone that has enabled them to do so.

So yes it is one issue I will vote on.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that:

Biden’s large lead over Trump among women voters (58% to 36%), and

that Biden’s lead among women grew by 12% between December and January,

is likely not due to the poll being based on gender and not sex (as are most opinion polls of voting intention).

You can take issue with how voters are categorized, if you wish, but in every election since 1980, women have voted for the Democrats in greater numbers than for the Republicans, and all available evidence shows the gap to be widening.

To claim that the Democrats’ relative embrace of gender ideology is what gives Trump a chance in the next election is not only unsupported by available data but runs directly contrary to it.

Out of interest, do you know who you will vote for in the next GE?

Most people seem to be finding it quite easy.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

No I don’t know who I am going to vote for.

Yes, sincerely in my opinion.

And the opinion of many many other women who are traditional Labour Party voters, who are struggling with the Labour Party position on this.

All of those things, the unintended consequences of the GRA and the Equality Act that Labour brought in in their last term, that were never going to happen are happening.

It's interesting that is now the same women who were highlighting concerns over those things that 'would never happen' are saying that this is a significant issue. Some will still vote for Labour some will not. Because we're not a homogeneous group.

I think Labour will win and I should bloody hope so after the harms done to society as a whole by the current government.

It's a pity that women's rights to be seen independent of males and to single sex spaces and sports seems to be the price to pay to oust the Tories.

I think women deserve better than that.

I was struggling with the Labour position on this. I am not struggling with it any more. I know exactly what I think about Labour now. It is clear as day. They don’t care about women and children’s rights to safety and comfort. It is black and white. I know people like to make it grey, because it suits them to do so.

#I’ve had enough of this shit.

The evidence is out there for all to see.

All of those things, the unintended consequences of the GRA and the Equality Act that Labour brought in in their last term, that were never going to happen are happening.
As you know, Labour (or rather, the UK) was required to adopt legislation to the effect of the GRA in response to a judgment from the European Court of Human Rights.

With respect to the Equality Act, I don’t see how current issues stem from it - rather (it seems to me but I’m happy to consider otherwise) they stem from the GRA and were not mitigated by the Equality Act.

Not ignoring this, but you will understand it requires a thoughtful response.

I'm going offline for a bit now as in the UK it's 8pm but it's an interesting question that I will respond to once I've organised my thoughts.

And I've eaten, because I'm starving, then I'm going to watch Slow Horses, so will catch up tomorrow on this.

Slow Horses is bloody wonderful! Enjoy!