To think that Labour have just shot themselves in the foot?

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https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1768647056111861760?s=19&t=wqgtbWPG_X1xZDMhuF871A

‘Just now Labour MPs prevented debate on a new law to protect children and single sex spaces.

Instead they used parliamentary time to discuss ferret name choices.

@Keir_Starmer is terrified of debate on safeguarding & his MPs actively work to ignore the concerns of constituents’

So we are now at the point where if someone DOESNT say something, that must mean they believe what I disagree with.

Right. Gotcha.

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it is terrifying isn’t it. That vast swathes of Labour supporters are completely incapable of holding their party to account over anything because the answer is always “but the conservatives”

Ditch Green investment flagship policies …..MN Labour supporters ….. but the Tories

U turn on student financing ….Labour supporters …… but the Tories

Have no clear policy on women’s rights or trans rights, get rid and replace local any Labour Party members who are in anyway gender critical, allow trans women on women only shortlists, allow the very few MPs who dare to question to be bullied…..Labour supporters response ….but the Tories

Trump said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and his supports would still vote for him unquestioningly and Labour supports here are going the same way.

Women’s rights and children’s rights not to be mutilated are fucked in this country because when Labour get in their adoring ‘can’t ever criticise or even question’ supporters will allow them to do anything they want because …..ah but the Tories.

What’s terrifying is Tory supporters ignoring what has actually been said to keep pushing the ‘only Tories care about women’ line while ignoring the massive harms to women under a Tory government, and also ignoring that the only way to get rid of those Tories is by voting for whoever will get them out in your constituency - the end result of which will be a Labour government in all probability. If you can’t see that the absolute worst party for women is Tories (or maybe Reform) after all this time…

The damage to womens rights has been caused on the conservative watch.
The damage to our health and wealth as a community has been carried out by the conservatives with decisions they have made.
The people who are bearing the brunt of that are women and children.

Do I think the conservatives are balme? Yes.
Do I think that overall labour will be worse? Juries out, but I will do everything in my power to find out.
Will I challenge my labour candidate on this issue? absolutely.

Go to hustings, speak to the candidates, ask them questions on the things that worry you and make your decisions based on that.
You can only vote for your local candidate, and this is where your voice will (if you have a decent mp) be heard. Any MP who blindly follows the party line, doesn't deserve to be an MP. They are supposed to represent their constituents not their own interests.

Everytime I've heard Starmer speak on this issue, he has been moderate, recognising that women need their safe spaces and protections, but that the trans community must not be forgotten.

Whilst the conservatives are putting males into women's prisons, adjusting crime and financial figures to the detriment of women, and generally making the lives of people worse not better. Listen to the actions, not the words. The tories say one thing and do another. I hope Labour can bring back honesty, if not, they will be voted out.

I don’t understand why this isn’t just the standard response - it’s common sense!

Everytime I've heard Starmer speak on this issue, he has been moderate, recognising that women need their safe spaces and protections

Which ‘safe spaces’ do you and Starmer mean?

And how would it happen in reality - Ie How legally would they keep men with a GRC out?

With an adjustment to the EA to clarify. He’s said that. It’s been quoted/linked on enough threads that you genuinely not knowing is vanishingly unlikely.
Going to answer any of the points about the Tories? Because from where I’m standing, blind defence is more common on that side.

This absolutely. We can all exercise our judgment at the election.

Starmer doesn’t want to change the EqA he has proposed to protect it - did you miss the statement?

Anyone talking about ‘safe spaces’ under Labour will need to clarify how legally they will do it.

There has not been any announcement that they will change the EqA currently

There’s no point in claiming Labour have stated intention to change the EqA as policy

It’s misinformation at this point.

It looks like it might come up, there’s another thread on it, but so far not with Labour

I can’t see all of this but I can’t imagine the Telegraph putting it in the key top para if it’s not how the balance pans out. It’s a year ago. From what I’ve seen he’s got more supportive of t(e need for this, not less.
There were other reports, but I thought you would like a nice, right wing one.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/keir-starmer-backs-rishi-sunak-rewrite-equality-laws-women/

Stop with the disingenuous stuff about ‘policy’. Policy announcements will be made at the time the manifesto is written.

There isn't a single viable political party that supports women's rights or safeguarding, and arguing about who's fault it is or who is worse is pointless.

We are heading towards a disaster and the people in power have no will to stop it. The entire situation has been deliberately engineered and astroturfed. It is causing real harm to women and children and had proved destructive to our society.

Instead of bickering about who's fault it is we need to focus on how to stop it; and if its too late to do that how to recover without allowing authoritarians to use the situation to take over.

A subsequent statement covered Labour on defending the EqA

It was later than that ‘support’ and after heavy lobbying from LGBT Labour

Regardless they can be clear and let the women interested know which spaces they are referring to and how they intend to keep males with GRCs from having access

At least Labour are still finding the lack of discussion about women’s and children’s safety hilarious. Fck Labour.

What is a 'safe space' supposed to be?
Labour have also stated they intend to remove the spousal exit clause from the Gender Recognition Act; but it is the key to making the entire act legal.
They don't really understand the impact of the policies they propose, they can't demonstrate how they will work and they keep changing their minds.

So your response to my post about the inability of Labour voters to hold their party to account for anything because there response is but the Tories …..is to say …..but the Tories. I think you may have just proven my point more comprehensively than I ever could have.

Defending the EA isn’t the same as not wanting it clarified. They think the Act is important, which it is. They’ve also acknowledged that it could be clearer on the protected characteristic of sex.

‘Supporting’ the other party is not the same as proposing action. Especially since it’s been a year or so since they said one weak thing and turn like the wind.

If they want to disallow males access to single sex spaces - which ones do you know? - they’ll need to state clearly which legal mechanism they’ll use.

It looks like it may come up anyway, not from Labour, but they can evidence the support or otherwise in response.

No, I’ve said that if you want to criticise anyone on this issue, the Tories are the ones. Labour have clarified that there is a difference between sex and gender and that single sex should sometimes mean exactly that. I don’t see a lot to criticise there, and that’s t(e issue under discussion.
The Tories have said a lot but are in a position to actually do something, have been for 14 years, and still haven’t acted. The Women and Equalities Minister didn’t even turn up for a potential debate on the matter. And more Tory MPs than Labour ones spoke on the earlier motion, making it run over.
I don’t like several things Labour are saying (on benefits, for example) but that’s not what the discussion on this thread is about.

Labour have clarified that there is a difference between sex and gender and that single sex should sometimes mean exactly that

Until they put the legal mechanism in the manifesto this is meaningless

They won't announce their manifesto until an election is called. Sunak has already missed the best and cheapest option for the country as another fuck you to us all.

They. Haven’t. Written. The. Manifesto.
So criticising them for not having it in a non existent document is meaningless at best, deliberately misleading at worst. And I’m inclined to assume the worst, given your posting history.

Well let’s see if they move from ‘support’ to actually proposing amending the EqA

Whatever they do it’s not been announced as pp claimed

Just pointing out your post which contained misinformation

i know from your posting style you get overly defensive and post as you just did moving to attack which is pointless

But still there is no point in posting incorrect information 🤷‍♀️