AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

[Yetmorebeanstocount]

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

It was been just confirming that the "Care" referendum was defeated with a 73.9% NO vote, the highest ever NO vote in any referendum in the State.

The "family" referendum was the 3rd highest defeat ever.

Shocking numbers altogether.

How old are you because when I was a student, neither the primary nor the secondary school curriculum detailed the level of removal of food from Ireland during the famine and more highlighted the potato blight as the reason so many died? It was a pretty small part of the secondary curriculum too, as the senior cycle history course started from 1877.

I'm late thirties. I don't think that part was written in the actual history book curriculum at the time. It just focused on blight.

But my teacher in primary school talked to us a lot about how food was transported out.

So i remember knowing that from a young age.

I watched the news there and many women have woken up to how women have been denigrated by Self Id. RTE likes shutting down women generally but even they couldn't ignore the scale of this defeat. The Countess was there too. Well done Ireland.

@Sashamalia @DanielGault please give it a rest. Your points have been made.

Well I had, but thank you for your service.

How do you mean?

Low turnout wise. They did creep up a bit but they were reporting terrible turnout earlier.

Sounds quite liberating to me. Mothers should receive state support to stay at home with small children, if they so choose, instead of the State baby- farming them off to someone else, often women whose own children are, in turn, being looked after by other mothers. Nuts.

It's not quite that simple though, they don't throw money in anyone's direction to stay at home. It remains a very difficult decision as to affording staying at home or not.

In saying that, it's a good few years since I've had to deal with childcare, so open to correction.

No, they don't. But they should. However a whole branch of the economy would collapse if they did put that in place now. Gotta go for 'growth' apparently, no matter how illusory it is.

Ah ok i get you now.

But this is a good thing. They didn’t know what the referendum was about so they voted to keep the status quo than vote for something different, the implications of which were unclear to them.

That’s exactly how to vote in a referendum, if you don’t understand the implication of voting for change. Either that or educating oneself in order to understand the implications. (And I don’t mean taking the word of a politician who commissions the side of a bus to get their message across, for example).

Firstly, you know you were being facetious not just “stating a fact”.

Secondly, no one can ever know what will actually happen once any law is passed. Theory and practice are two different things.

thirdly, I didn’t see the post you are referencing. From what you say it is also rude and unnecessary, just like yours.

"All of the UK people who colonised ireland in the past, are all long dead!"

Soldier F and the legacy act says different

@Devonshiregal

You won't see the post because many of us reported it several times before it was finally deleted.

It was the first post after the op.

On Twitter earlier during the rugby someone supporting England referred to the Irish team as 'potato pickers' and that attitude is why we all get so annoyed with 'just asking' threads like this one. Unfathomable ignorance plus smug superiority is a desperate combination.

Woah! Really? I don't do twitter. That's spectacularly ignorant.

Firstly, I wasn't being the least bit facetious. I was deadly serious.

Secondly, I did not state that anyone could predict exactly what would happen. I clearly stated that Irish people do not vote for constitutional changes than are not clear. That clarity means knowing how our laws will be changed/impacted by the change.

Thirdly, while you may not have seen the second post, the op was sufficiently goady to warrant an element of snark in the responses.

I'd like to say unusual but truth it simply isn't including British government including a Prime Minister.

Pretti Patel = block food to Ireland
Liz Truss = turnip picker

Having a paddy = I have only ever heard that been used by Britsh including on Channel 4 on Goggle box

After reading this thread: could we outsource voting in our referenda to the Irish, please?

In fairness, we have a lot of practice 😁

The first referendum I voted in was the 8th proposed amendment to the constitution. Today's were the 39th and 40th and I've voted in all the intervening ones. So that's 33 referendums I've voted in at the age of 58.

That's seriously impressive doffs cap