AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

[Yetmorebeanstocount]

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

Indeed.

All I did was get old 😁

Although I do think we have a civic duty to vote and always do except for the occasional election where I've been away.

Same here but not in those numbers! I did also have the honour of accompanying my friend to the ballot box in a Polish election, that was cool. I love voting, I shed a tear when I got my little girl to put the ballot in the box for Repeal. I know it sounds naff, but it was watching her casting a vote for her own future. It was momentous for me.

My first vote was against the 8th ammendment. My son's first vote was to repeal the 8th. I thought that was a nice closing of the circle.

Aww 🥰🥰🥰🥰

I have a lovely video of my daughter on the night of the marriage ref, she was quite young. My brothers are gay and I had explained to her in simple terms why I was voting. In the video, she says (in that small child way) 'we can mawey a man and anudduuh man togeduh, it's a good deal' and then she claps. She was a bridesmaid for my brother and his husband at their wedding last year. Participation in the process is never too early, and always a good thing.

I think it’s often quite difficult to understand what goes on in other entirely different countries / societies. No makes perfect sense to me, as an Irish woman. I’ve lived in England, and though both fairly conservative societies, the fabric of Irish life is very different (as with most countries around the world). So, I don’t expect you to understand or even accept what we think.

That's so sweet.

I swear to god, I'm getting a wee bit emotional thinking about it. She's all grown up now so no doubt I'd get an eye roll if I was to bring it up.

I have always felt that rather than exclusively funding extra child care hours in order to virtually force carers to chuck their infant into a nursery and go back to work, there should be choice. How about funding extended parental leave so that parents can stay home longer during a child's early years if they want to. I would have bitten their hand off.

That would have been great tbf

Completely agree. I'd much prefer to pay through the nose for a few nursery days if it meant taking longer leave earlier on, or even subsided part time.

Parental Leave has been extended to 16yrs.

Unfortunately a lot of lower paid cannot afford the drop in wages.

And why didn't they know?

There was a serious lack of information put out and a lack of definition of terms included in the new wording. For example, what defines a durable relationship?

I dont know what that means (legally) and therefore I voted no.

This explains it well I think.

I'm irish. I now live in spain

I would never go back.
I honestly think that ireland is such a difficult country to live in. For so many reasons.

1)There is not much to do in ireland.
In the medium towns in ireland there is not much to do except sport and drinking

2. in my opinion ireland is very patriarchal and old fashioned

3,) there is extreme tribal mentality, when yoy meet people in medium town ireland, people check not just who you are , but who your parents are. They want to know everything about you, about how respectable your family is. They prefer you if your parents and grandparents also grew up in the town otherwise you are called a blow in

Here in spain, if i meet people, they dont care about my parents, grandparents, cousins
, they just want to know about me.

People approve of you if you fit into their mold of acceptability In ireland. This also leads into unfairness in Job hiring. As people hire who is well known and seen to be from a good family in the community.

For example in the two primary schools in my home town in ireland.

Every one of the teachers to this day are white and irish, from locl families and from "good" families in the area.
This leads to complete lack of diversity in teachers in schools
4) the Catholic Church still has a huge influence on schools in ireland. When it shouldnt have.
5) Lack of amenities
6) lack of good public transport
7) its always raining in ireland .Really bad weather
8) everything is hugely expensive
9) rent prices are crazy.

I just went to a yoga class here in spain. My yoga teacher is also irish. She just saiyoto me that she'd never go back.

Ireland might suit some people but I'm so happy I'm out of it.

Good for you . At a bit of a loss to know what your post has to do the subject though.

The state would not/could answer the questions a lot voters were asking.

In my area a huge number of women especially elderly were aghast at the word mother being removed.

They made a huge amount of sacrifices as mothers to rear their children, not mention the many still alive Magdalene & M&B survivors who were made pay dear for the crime of becoming a mother.

I want my title Mother recognised in the constitution, I and many other survivors dam well earned it.

'extreme tribal mentality ' 😂 I'd love to know what town you were from. God knows the country is far from perfect but come on.

Because I think irelands constitution is extremely old fashioned . And this referendum has reminded me of how Conservative and traditional ireland is

If you look up the worldwide reporting on this referendum: it is not positive about ireland

Most of the news articles are calling ireland

"old fashioned" "sexist" ",traditional".

American news sites are saying "Ireland fails to update sexist wording in its constitution"

If you don't live here, the fallout of the referendum will not impact you.

So the whole lost opportunity of previous posts is completely irrelevant.

Those who live here wanted certainty, answer, we live with the consequences of bad constitutional amendments. This needed to be right.

There is a tribal mentality in ireland.

I don't live in ireland at present. People come and go from Ireland. I will probably have to go back to Ireland in a couple of years to help take care of my elderly parents.

It's a tough country.

Speak for yourself. I have not personally encountered that, apart from say in relation to Gaelic games or something. I'm not exactly sure what my 'tribe' would be anyway? Is it to do with my parents, or where I was born, or where I spent a good chunk of my childhood, or where I spent a good chunk of my life post college? Genuinely that makes no sense to me at all