AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

[Yetmorebeanstocount]

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

The part of NI that delays and restricts access to abortion most certainly does not follow Ireland. It's an ally of the Tory party.

Ireland can't do much about the law in NI. The UK can.

I'm afraid I can't be light-hearted about this sort of ignorance, it puts lives at risk. See, again, Brexit.

As for the tone of the thread - the OP was sneering. Irish people are used being sneered at by our nearest neighbour - it has often been official government policy.

The OP did not pose a question in good faith. It was posed in judgement - oh the backwards Irish, don't they know what's good for them.

Hear hear @ColleenDonaghy 👏 👏

I totally disagree with you. And I'm irish.

People need to move on.

Ireland weren't the only country to be invaded in history.

Nearly every country was invaded by its neighbouring country/ or a more powerful country in history.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with current UK people. Nothing.

Just because you are born on a patch of land doesn't make you responsible for your ancestors crimes.

It's wonderful that you are so 'zen', but as the saying goes, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. So I'd prefer if people err on the side of caution, know their own history for good or bad, and do better in the future. And that includes the Irish.

Hear hear.

Oh and the comments about Brexit refer to the fact that, regardless of your political leaning, the referendum itself was a shambles. One short, imprecise question, with the electorate nowhere near informed enough to make a considered decision. Indeed it turns out the government didn't fully understand the question it was asking.

This lack of organisation and clarity has lead to... y'know. <gestures>

And Irish citizens are often more familiar with the impact on NI than British citizens.

Irish referenda are run in a more considered way, and the electorate have enough information to make an informed decision.

It was a complex attempt to deal with the language of a constitution written in a rush for a different time.

From what I gathered, the main stumbling blocks were the “enduring relationship” and the rights of carers. The former is complex as land inheritance is a major topic for a partly rural country where the small farmer is still a thing (not so much in the UK) and there was a worry that this might dilute inheritance laws. The language for the carers part was hopeless full stop - “strive to endeavour”.

The real issue is that the public didn’t feel they fully understood the changes. I have highly educated friends who weren’t sure what they were voting for.

Oh and we weren't just invaded, we were starved to death. Maybe buy an oul book.

The way this thread has gone is disappointing.
It could have been a great debate. I’m off to Reddit instead.

I disagree

it's one thing to learn from history.

It's wrong to blindly hate a whole country because of what their ancestors did

I have seen a lot of anti English sentiment in ireland. Too much.

Like I said, I'm in NI so I didn't follow it closely, but there have been several threads discussing the referendum in general. I think they're linked upthread but check out Craicnet.

Don't need to danielgault. I'm not sure why you think you're the only one who knows about the irish famine

I studied the irish famine for months in both primary school and secondary school in history class.

It is taught very prominently in all schools im ireland

Nope again, you are ill informed. Plenty of English here, nobody puts in or out. It's only the 'get over it' business that would raise hackles. But that doesn't tend to happen irl.

Ill informed? I've seen it myself.

I didn't realise that, having been born, raised and educated in Ireland. Thanks for the reminder.

There’s a thread over in the feminism board that seems to assume people voted for much loftier reasons than they did- am in rural Ireland and heard a lot of people saying they were voting for really depressing backwards reasons- eg why wouldn’t family be marriage centred, you change that and you’ll get anyone and everyone being entitled to everything, add in backwardness about couples not bothering to get married, single mothers getting enough, racist rubbish about how ‘they’ll’ all be able to get their whole family over (people from other countries) etc etc. other reason was people saying it was too vague or they didn’t understand it. Heard some good arguments for both sides too but all in all backed up how negative, grabby and hate filled people are at the moment

The OP showed complete disdain for the Irish Constitution and for the recent vote.
The next person to comment was even worse - since been deleted.
Bound to raise hackles.

Did you forget what you said?

You told me to go and read a book about the famine?

I thought it was very strange you said that to me, seeing as im Irish?

News on now, wonder who they'll put out.

I know exactly what I said? And I could scroll back if I was unsure?

Do you even know what youre saying . Your posts don't make any sense

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Brilliant, sums it up perfectly

No, you're right. I've been waiting for you to come along and enlighten me. Phew.

You're the one who told an Irish person to read about the famine.

That made loads of sense!