AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

[Yetmorebeanstocount]

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

Ireland legalised same-sex marriage a year after the UK and we were the first country to legalise it by referendum. I'm not sure what your point was re. this. You sounded critical but I don't think a year behind the UK is an overly lengthy time considering what's involved in holding a referendum.

I agree Ireland was behind on legalising abortion but a large part of the blame for that is on the Government. One referendum on abortion was worded so badly that people weren't sure if Yes or No brought in abortion. However, the 12 week cut-off point was part of the referendum text. If people disagreed with it, voting no would have meant the referendum wouldn't have passed. People had to accept that caveat in order to have abortion legalised. As the referendum yesterday has highlighted, the Irish people have to deal with the proposed text the Government produces. The Citizen's Assemblies are meant to represent us (to a degree) in the wording of changes but the Government clearly don't follow their advice.

I agree

Any anti- nationality posts on here should be reported.

Are there plans to bring it to 24 weeks?

It's not racist to criticise that, but it is stupid.
Why on earth are you talking about NI?

Hilarious isn't it! Oops!

Saw LV on news. Asked how he would intetpret/ support women in the home now. Didnt take the opportunity to give the pension to all those women forced out of work on marriage in the 60s and 70's he is a Total disgrace of a PM. Big celebration party for the yes side with panti bliss at the forefront was cancelled on the no vote . No issue with PB but seriously wtf. How much was that going to cost.
Ngo have to be looked at AND their funding and the selling our souls for govt money aka national womens coucil
Hang your heads in shame NWC

That's because the government refused to clarify terms, which would leave definitions for the courts to decide.

People are right to reject this. It isn't good enough. We want to know precisely what we're voting for.

No point crying about an anti Irish comment as racist but come out with anti English comments is there? I am not sure why that was nessary anyway? OP could be educated instead of derogatory comments about her/him possibly being British.

NGO have to be looked at AND their funding and the selling our souls for govt money aka national womens coucil. Hang your heads in shame NWC

This with bells on

Yes, because most Irish people recognise that if you are unsure of the impact of changing the constitution, it is better to vote to leave it alone.

As is your ability to live in the past. 👍

I am a bit tired! 😂

If is absolutely nothing to do with that.

If you want to look for roots in previous referenda, look at Lisbon and Nice and an electorate TV car understands that "No" in a referendum can mean "Not those words, go back and try again". The constitution is viewed with respect across society and changes to it are taken seriously.

Did you actually read the op's post. It was extremely goady for someone who was "simply interested".

CHRIST!!! It's not not my job to educate you. And lol at racist English comments. Really.

I do think that some of the anti British comments on here were extremely nasty.

Someone called a British poster a colonial overlord. Was that necessary?

And also why do some irish people keep going on about England invading them over 100 years ago.

I've loads of Polish friends. None of them have ever once talked to me about Germany invading their country last century.

Thanks to those who explained the situation. I’ve read some articles about this that weren’t clear but some posts here have explained it much better.

She said anti English comments. There were.

A uk poster was called a colonial overlord

If you're British (or Irish), not knowing the constituent parts of your own country is ignorance beyond that which can be explained by tiredness.

Yes. Really.

I know it. I meant NI follows the ROI in regards to same sex marriage and abortion rather than the rest of the UK. To be honest I don't know why Brexit or mocking comments about British people not knowing what they vote for needed to be said. I am quite happy to read what this is about but seems some can't help themselves.

Nah, you don't really get to do that, sorry. You came on here like an indignant bull, spouted a whole load of bullshit re NI which is part of your union, and about gay marriage as if legalising it a year after the UK was monumentally backwards. That really wasn't fucking cool.

Congratulations to the people of Ireland who clearly didn't take at face value what they were told about the issue by the politicians and NGOs, and read more deeply into the issues surrounding the proposal, unlike the OP.

Yes, and I bet that people in Germany know that Poland is a separate country. I can tell you from many years of experience, there's plenty in the UK that don't realise that Ireland is a whole other country with its own govt, laws, etc..... As for NI, there's at least one poster on this thread that thinks ROI and NI have the same constitution... so god only knows!

Fine. I didn't say anything to that effect though. And tbh it is extremely irritating when some not all English people refuse to acknowledge why other countries might have an issue with the colonial past. I've told this story on here before more than once, but I once met an English history teacher in a pub in Dublin who had absolutely no idea that food was shipped out of Ireland during the 'famine', leaving the Irish to starve on the side of the road. She was horrified. All countries have a past, most have a past they wouldn't be proud of, but when people refuse to acknowledge it or learn about it, and then have the cheek to lecture the ancestors of the victims, it leaves a very very sour taste in the mouth.