AIBU to be shocked by the Irish referendum?

[Yetmorebeanstocount]

I'm not from the Irish Republic. I just read what the ballot was about. I am shocked at what their constitution contained:

Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”
Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

I'm even more shocked that early results suggest the Irish have voted to KEEP this dire crap in their constitution.

Am I missing something?

Yeh, agree, don't want to out myself but in a region in Almería that I visit regularly, i have drunk cheaper coffee, - a coffee for 1.50 is still good for sure, but the next time @Sashamalia is served a coffee for 1.50, she should ask the person serving it if their employer pays PRSI on their behalf.

Maybe we could also ask why coffee shops are greedy and charge around 5 euro for coffees in ireland

If you think it's for employee welfare, you must be joking.

I know people that work in coffee shops in ireland. They all say they are treated like shit.

Those high coffee prices are there, purely to make profit for those coffee shops

They are earning minimum wage though and if they're ill, they'll be entitled to Illness benefit, if they get fired, they'll be entitled to job seekers benefit. The contributions will go towards a state pension. things aren't perfect in spain, i know this.

I know people who work in coffee shops here too. All treated very well. Well paid with benefits. So whats your point?
It must be awful to live your life as bitter as you seem to be. All the sunshine in spain aint helping you.

I agree with you, it's not perfect in Spain.

But in my opinion, I wish I'd moved to Spain earlier.

It also depends which part you move to. I'm near Barcelona

Barcelona is doing extremely well economically. There are a lot of large companies.

A lot of irish people are here working in financial companies

Also i went to a couple of expat groups recently

A lot of expats here told me that they are living here in spain and are working remotely for companies in other countries.

The companies are in the UK, Ireland or Germany. They can live here in spain and work remotely

It's great that a lot of companies are more flexible these days. I was just chatting to a man from waterford who is working for an irish I.T. company, he is working remotely here in spain

I'm not bitter at all. I'm very very happy thanks

I think that the wording is excellent and I'm glad that the value of stay at home parents (who are largely women) isn't being undermined. In the U.K. the government is forcing single parents and main carers on benefits into full time work from age 3. Something I think will have a detrimental affect on society in the longer term.

Well you come across as somewhat irrational tbh. As I said before, nobody is saying Ireland is perfect, but it's a fairly normal society that gets on alright. No better or no worse than anywhere else really.

Here is a genuine question. One that I'm not sure about.

Because remote working only came in, in a big way fairly recently.

I was chatting to a couple of irish people, here who are working for irish companies.

They are doing their job remotely from Spain.

If they lost their job,

would they be entitled to job seeker allowance under the irish system, or the spanish system?

I suppose that would depend where their employer is based?

One of the conditions of job seekers is that you're in the country. I'd be surprised if spanish gov gave equivalent of our job seekers allowance to other EU citizens who had not been paying in to spanish pot. But I do not know for certain.

Oh dear, you do realise people working in spain remotely for an IRISH company are doing so on irish wages, irish benefits, irish everything?
So your point once again shows you havent a clue.
Stop digging.

Maybe we should all just move to Spain and be done with it?

Ireland might suit some people but I'm so happy I'm out of it

Oh blimey, we've moved on from the smug expat "the UK is a shithole and I'm glad I live overseas" post to the Irish version now have we?

If you have moved away, immerse yourself in your new country, join their social media channels and don't come onto MN telling the rest of us how superior you are to have moved. For goodness sake. It is so so annoying. If you can move overseas you are privileged, perhaps not quite the same if you are Irish due to the small matter of having an EU passport, but you still need the wherewithal to move.

Your posts are insane😂

I Said i didnt know and i asked a question
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Other people responded to me politely.

Your reply is "you don't have a clue"

If an Irish person moving to spain, and worked for remotely for an Irish company, and asked a question about benefits, would you sneer and laugh at him and say "you don't have a clue".

It IS confusing. I was chatting to irish people who work remotely here in spain and they said that the whole thing was confusing for them.

Some of them said they were originally told by their irish company thay they couldn't work abroad, then they were told that they could, work abroad, but that their HR dept was still sorting out the legal/ tax side of things.

So where is this mythical place called the Irish Republic? Or do you mean the Republic of Ireland. Or even just Ireland.

Its not my fault you lack comprehension skills.
You are spouting bs.

@Sashamalia hmm did you change your username lately? You remind me of another poster going by the username mooshamoo, always whinging about Ireland, couldn't wait to leave the place, always got chatting to such and such who always agreed with your grievances...

Really?
I've told you about other people who told me they were confused about the process. You lack empathy or any understanding for people. Every one of your posts is aggressive.

You're the one spouting bs

No im givng you facts and calling you out on your very obvious bitterness.
And for every person u say is unhappy in ireland i can match with many more who love it.
And you dont like it.

What's the need for the nastiness though i really don't get it

Lots of people move countries

Are you personally upset that people move away from ireland?
Why would you be upset that people are happy abroad?

My best friend from ireland moved to be a nurse in Australia
She is always telling me how much she loves it over there, and I'm really really happy for her.

I don't think i would ever dream of saying to her "how dare you say somewhere else is better than ireland"

Do you not think your posts are a bit extreme.
People come and go all the time

If you look back at my posts , I actually stopped talking about Spain six hours ago on this thread.

Then someone wrote a post, and i got an email notification. I popped back in and i got drawn in again.

That's the bad thing about mumset. You leave a conversation.

But then you get email notifications "new post on thread!" you come to look. And you get drawn back in

I realise i need to stop the mumsmet notifications coming to my email.

Do you really not know who you pay your taxes to?

It's not as clear cut and simple as you seem to think

In my last job. I worked for an Irish company. I worked Remotely.

in that job, we were told that we were not allowed to leave ireland, and work remotely from any other country, for tax reasons.

We were told that we had to be resident in ireland all year, for tax reasons, and to get Irish benefits

My friend worked for an Irish company remotely, and he was also told that he was not allowed to leave ireland and work from anywhere else for tax reasons.

He decided to go to Scotland for three weeks anyway, and they found out and he got into big trouble for it.

I just talked to an Irish guy here in spain who is working remotely for an Irish company.

They used to tell him that he wasn't allowed to leave ireland. Now this year they have told him that he can leave ireland, and work abroad, but he said that the company have been very confusing..

He said the company are just figuring out a lot of things about it themselves. As it is their first time letting people work abroad.

Get a grip ffs. Like we need lessons in tolerance from the Americans. They've just overturned Roe v Wade! You sound like you have some internalised self hatred. The cultural cringe as it's called in Australia. Try not to look at us through the distorting lens of American or British media.

One thing I've learnt recently is how narrow minded and intolerant so called liberals can be. It's ' a bad day for democracy ' because people have expressed an opinion. And of course free speech is wonderful but you mustn't use it to say men are not women. Ugh.

Still thank the Goddess/ blind forces of natural selection acting upon random mutations , that we rejected this poorly worded and frankly insulting codswallop. It makes up for not winning the Grand Slam 🏉.

Almost.....