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Driving lessons

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harveyluna789 · 09/03/2024 11:13

How important is learning to drive? We are at a bit of a crisis point with my DD. She is struggling so much 40 lessons so far and hating every minute. My DH says she is dangerous and refuses to ever take her out in his car so we have bought her a car and even in her car he shouts and screams at her BUT here is the bit in all this which I think is important and I need proper opinions on what to do.

At 17 my parents forced me to learn to drive I had 104 lessons and it took me 2.5 years to pass my test and I would say for that 2 years I was a nervous wreck - my dad like my DH refused to have me in his car so my mum took me out - she says now it was the most nerve wracking thing she has ever done BUT eventually I passed my test. I had a car for a year but anytime I drove anywhere would sweat buckets and feel sick. This anxiety would start the night before I had to drive to work - I would then be anxious all day at work worrying about the drive home and then I wouldn't sleep because I would worry about driving the next day. It was an all consuming anxiety but 1. I knew what caused it and 2. I had to just suck it up because without driving I couldn't get anywhere.

About 8 months after passing my test I went on holiday for a fortnight and my anxiety completely lifted as I didn't have to worry about driving anywhere for 2 weeks - as soon as I came home and knew I needed to drive to work the next day my anxiety came back with a vengeance. I carried on for about another year and I made the decision to move into the town and sold my car and have never driven since and my anxiety has never returned. I got so much abuse from everyone - driving is a a life skill and by giving up I am not going to be able to go places or get a decent job. Agree - it has made my life much tougher , especially when the kids were small and I have only been able to have jobs that are walkable or on a bus route.

I have never really spoken about my driving anxiety to DD because I didn't want her to have a negative view on driving but she wants to quit it doesn't help that this week she drove through a red light and almost mounted the pavement. I asked her what it is she finds tough and she says "it is the having to be super aware of your surroundings, change gear, watch the road, turn the wheel all at the same time - exactly the same as my issues and that she feels sick thew whole time she is in the car which she feels stops her learning to the best of her ability. We talked about changing instructors as hers shouts which my DH says to her actual face that no wonder "because she is a driving disaster" but when I struggled and I wanted to change instructors the instructor to me and my dads face that it wouldn't matter because "I was one of the worst he had ever seen" so my dad made me carry on with him - this was after 50 lessons and 54 lessons later I passed first time!

Problem is she is going to uni in September to do teaching and really to be a teacher she has to be able to drive.

I hate seeing her like this and I just want her to quit and be happy but like when I learnt everyone is saying it is a life skill and she just needs to persevere and she won't always feel anxious and I am always getting told that if I had persevered the anxiety would have subsided the more I did it but I honestly don't think it would.

My son is dyspraxic and looking back now I think I am too and that is possibly why I struggled - my DD has no other dyspraxic symptoms but I now suspect dyspraxia is the cause.

There is the option to perhaps try in an automatic which I tried about 10 years ago but the anxiety came back and I gave up yet again.

I know driving is a very important life skill but in this instance should we keep on forcing it or let her quit. Obviously I completely understand where she is coming from but DH, and my parents who have never had any driving issues say she needs to persevere and not give up like me.

Thoughts and opinions please!!

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thinkinghuts · 09/03/2024 11:15

How do you fare with not driving?

Surely you’re best placed to answer given you don’t drive

i drive. love it. and can’t imagine life with out it 🤷

LauraNorda · 09/03/2024 11:16

Your husband needs to stop shouting and screaming at her, first and foremost.

At the end of the day, if she doesn't want to learn or isn't ready to learn, you can't force her.

dementedpixie · 09/03/2024 11:17

Could she try an automatic car instead as there's less to think about re: gears and biting points, etc? I'd also change instructor if the instructor shouts at her

thinkinghuts · 09/03/2024 11:18

She’s 17.

can’t she do the 6 mile journey for your son’s audition?

dementedpixie · 09/03/2024 11:21

I failed my test twice at age 17/18 and didn't go back to driving until I was 26 at which point I passed first time. My dd is 20 and doesn't want to drive (has autism and social anxiety). Ds is 17 and is taking lessons and just passed his theory test.

Your dd needs to feel comfortable with her instructor and not fear being shouted at. Maybe she just isn't ready for driving yet

Turquoisa80 · 09/03/2024 11:22

You should get her a proper driving instructor, not everyone can teach and your dh sounds impatient. Part of driving is to trust other road users will be following the rules too but be aware.

Icepop79 · 09/03/2024 11:23

Thousands of people get by without ever driving or learning later in life. I learnt to drive at 17 because we lived in a very rural area and I was desperate to get some independence (and my parents were desperate not to be a taxi for evermore!). In contrast, my partner only learnt to drive when I was pregnant with our first child. He lived in urban areas all his life and it just wasn’t a priority. It never caused him any problems not driving until his 30s. My grandmother learnt to drive in her 60s.

I would say stop forcing it - it must be costing you a fortune in lessons. She may just not be ready. She may never be ready. She may only be ready when she’s not being yelled at and put down by her father. Either way, it really sounds like now is not the right time for her.

kitsuneghost · 09/03/2024 11:24

Do not give her lifts anywhere. Make her see what a disadvantage she will be at. Public transport is not going to get any better.

Fifthtimelucky · 09/03/2024 11:25

Personally I would leave it for now. It sounds like continuing would be counterproductive if she's already had 40 lessons and is still making basic mistakes.

Then after a break, start again in an automatic. It's much easier and she will have less to think about.

I really don't think it needs to be a priority. Surely the university can't expect all its teacher training students to be able to drive by the time they start the course? And even if they have passed their tests, surely most won't have their own cars.

Casperthecheeky · 09/03/2024 11:27

please try and get your daughter to stick in. I'm 53 and can't drive. I have took loads of lessons, spends a ton of money. I suspect like you do that I may have some form of dyspraxia( can't swim either) as I am awaiting an ASD test. My DH has took me out driving before and thinks I'm ok just it's nerves . Please get you DD to stick in ,either go with the automatic or what not. When I was learning, I didn't have anyone to practice with between lessons(now married) so try and get her to do this as much as possible. If you can get a dyspraxia test one also.
It has really hindered me career wise. I would be earning twice as much as I do now if I could drive . Don't let her be me. Good luck.

Mmmmdanone · 09/03/2024 11:27

I think an automatic car would help with the anxiety, but she doesn't need to drive at all. I know plenty of people who don't and they manage fine.

dottiedodah · 09/03/2024 11:27

Yelling at her won't help! Maybe just have professional lessons for now. If she feels like she can't do it .have a break for a while .

VickyEadieofThigh · 09/03/2024 11:28

thinkinghuts · 09/03/2024 11:18

She’s 17.

can’t she do the 6 mile journey for your son’s audition?

Apart from when she's 16. She's also -if going to uni in September - nearly 18.

I find myself unable to take these threads at face value.

But fwiw - lots of young teachers can't drive, often because their parents didn't have the funds to bankroll their lessons, car or insurance.

dottiedodah · 09/03/2024 11:29

Also unless she teaches in the country, lots of towns and cities have good public transport, so she would be OK

GoldLurker · 09/03/2024 11:30

I honestly think if she's had 40 actual lessons and gone out with her dad and is still nowhere near test ready then driving isn't for her.
As an aside I'm a teacher, I do drive now, but I didn't when I trained and I used public transport for placements and got a job in a school I could walk to.

Miiaaoow · 09/03/2024 11:30

You need to encourage her to keep going. Anxiety is not a valid reason to give up an important life skill. Not being able to drive will limit her and make her life harder.

I second learning automatic. I'm currently learning automatic and would never be able to cope with the gears and the clutch on top of everything else. My instructor is also absolutely lovely, so looking for a nicer (maybe female) instructor might help. Having someone getting angry and shouting at you whilst driving isn't exactly going to make you feel calm about it. And your husband is being a prick.

Also possibly consider treating the general anxiety with something like propranolol. I'm anxiety prone and take one for every lesson.

Catopia · 09/03/2024 11:31

I didn't learn until I was late 20s, passed just after turned 30. I had a friend that had a driving accident when we were 17, and it scared me too much to learn. I am really glad I can drive now and wish I had done it sooner.

How does she fare with other tasks with multiple things at the same time - can she play the piano, use a sewing machine etc?

Has she ever had to do anything with road safety before - does she cycle on roads, for example? Because I couldn't drive, I cycled everywhere for a long time, and you have to have good observation or you get squashed! If you've just driven her everywhere, she may not really "get it".

If you give her lifts, don't let her sit there on her phone. Make her look at the road, talk through what you are doing, or get her to talk through what you need to do.

Automatic would give her one less thing to think about but it doesn't sound like the clutch control is her biggest problem.

Topseyt123 · 09/03/2024 11:32

I'm another with driving anxiety. It's very common and shouldn't be dismissed by your other friends and family. Your DH in particular needs to back off as he is undermining her. I remember what it was like learning to drive with my Dad teaching me as he was very tense (I understood why) and a total perfectionist.

I drive virtually only on my patch now really. I have done for a long time. I use public transport where I possibly can and the very occasional taxi. I have eyesight issues and poor night vision, which doesn't help at all, especially during the winter months. I have never taken naturally to drive and never enjoyed it at all.

If you live somewhere on decent public transport routes then I would let her choose whether to continue or not. I also think that you should explain to her why you don't drive so that she feels understood.

She'll have to understand that she will always need to live near good public transport links rather than in the arse end of nowhere if she doesn't want to drive. It's a valid choice though and one that I will make as and when I need to completely stop driving.

rustlerwaiter · 09/03/2024 11:37

I wouldn't say it's essential to be able to drive to be a teacher @harveyluna789, DP has been a teacher for 20 years and has only been able to drive for the last 8. I'm sure it would have made things easier in the early days when she was doing supply and travelling all over the region, but she managed with public transport.

By the sounds of it her current instructor isn't helping. There's more to teaching someone how to drive than knowing how a car works and the rules of the road. Are there other instructors in the area with a reputation for being more patient?

Would it help for her to not get too hung up on the number of lessons or how long it's taking? Maybe go back to driving on quieter roads to build up her confidence? In a way the working the car part of driving becomes second nature and it's the observing and taking things in that sits at the front of your mind. Maybe driving around a quiet area every night would help her concentrate on that aspect rather than worrying about a lot going on outside the car?

ohdamnitjanet · 09/03/2024 11:40

I know plenty of adults who don’t drive or can and don’t have a car, they are fine and work around it. Of course if you can drive it makes life easier in certain circumstances, just by having a choice, but it’s not for everyone and no one should be forced, especially if they are going to be shouted and screamed at. Her father is an arse, and will be making her antipathy to driving so much worse.

My ds is dyslexic and driving is harder for him ( he hasn’t learnt yet, tried, stopped, knows he has to try again, but didn’t like it ) because apart from poor motor skills dyslexia means he has a very poor short term memory so learning anything takes him much longer.

I do drive, but don’t like it much after an accident and limit it to my own comfort zones. It’s so much more difficult to learn now, and hugely expensive, my local instructors want to do two hour lessons at £70 each - who can afford that every week?

However, having said all that, it might be worth her having a few lessons on an automatic just to see if she prefers it, it’s so much easier, she can concentrate on the road, so it’s so much less stressful. The majority of electric cars are automatic anyway, and that’s the way we are going.

For all those who say autos limit choices, no they don’t. I’ve driven them for 30 years, I’ve never had a situation where I needed to drive manual, and they don’t cost anymore to maintain or insure.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 09/03/2024 11:40

I think her problem is your DH and his attitude.

Winter42 · 09/03/2024 11:41

I am a teacher and am 40. I only passed my test (on the 9th attempt) this year so it is perfectly possible for her to manage without driving. My uni were very good about finding me placements on a train route and I have worked at schools that are walkable to train stations.

I also switched to learning in an automatic which gave me less to think about. This might be an option for your daughter to make it a bit easier for her?

pinkwaterbottle9 · 09/03/2024 11:41

New instructor, no lessons from parents, automatic car

Picklestop · 09/03/2024 11:41

Your husband is being awful. How is it not obvious to him that shouting and calling her a driving disaster is making things worse. I don’t know why on earth you bought her a car when she was clearly struggling with driving either.

I think whether she drives or not should be her decision not yours. If she wants to give it up she should and she can come back to it later. I didn’t start lessons until I was about 23 as I couldn’t afford it before then but also by that age, I had worked out that being able to drive would greatly improve my life.

sanityisamyth · 09/03/2024 11:43

I love driving. I love the freedom and the independence. I have taken my minibus test recently as well and the instructor commented on how confident and competent I was.

If you don't want to drive, don't. If you're too anxious or nervous to drive, don't. You'll be a danger to everyone on the road, including you.

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