Cost of wrap around care

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I live in Yorkshire and wrap around care is available at my children's school, via a private company. They can provide breakfast and snacks.

From April the cost per child will be £25 for morning and afternoon (£10 AM for 90 minutes and £15 PM for up to 3 hrs but most leave after 2.5 hrs).

I appreciate that living wage, energy costs etc are adding to this cost but it feels high and prohibitively expensive for many.

If you use similar care in the North, could you please share the cost so I can see if it's relatively high and raise with the school if so?

Not thinking of raising this for myself but for others in the community.

£25 for 4.5 hrs childcare? Including food?

That's a bargain and your expectations seem unrealistic.

But is not nursery type care. No ratios, supervised playing/activities for say 50 children and around 5-6 staff.

It might be the market rate but I am sure I saw a thread some years ago and it was the most expensive of all. Hence the question.

Not in the north but south east lots of London commuters, basic ASC is £11 for 3:15-5:45 includes play, colouring and so on and sandwiches etc, most collect between 5 and 5:30
You can have the early session which is just an hour until 4:15 for £6 and no food.

There are also ASC clubs gymnastics, athletics, tennis etc 3:15-4:15 for termly fees which work out about £6 a session, then you can have ASC late 4:15-5:45 £7 with food all on school site but all external providers. If the children have the sports they are collected from class, taken to the activity and either collected by parents from there or if in ASC late taken to ASC by the coach.

Breakfast club is 7:30-8:30 for £3.50
School entry is 8:30-8:50.

So cheaper than yours in a more expensive party of the country, housing here is eye watering.
Having said that it's a 4 form intake school there are 120 children in reception and until two years ago it was 5 form so 150 children per year, compared to a one or two form intake there will be economies of scale.

Thank you! Very helpful. It's 3 form entry but only 3 year groups so perhaps that is the issue.

I’m in North Yorkshire, and the wrap around care I use is £7.25 for breakfast club (7.30 until 8.45) and £11.75 for after school club (3-6), so slightly cheaper at £19 per day, which includes food. I don’t use the breakfast club, but at the ASC the children can do crafts/ activities provided or just play with friends. There’s about 30 children at the ASC most days.

That's about what our school charges. They have to pay their staff, heating, lighting, food...it works out at £6.25 per hour for childcare. I think it's pretty good. If the thread you saw was a few years ago, everything has gone up a lot since!

Im down south but its 22.50 for my DD. Its a nonprofit scheme that operates in several local schools though.

I'm in South East but I pay £9 for after school club 3.15pm till 5.45pm which includes a snack usually something like pasta and garlic bread.

It’s similar to ours-about £5 an hour.

I can’t imagine the school will suddenly be able to do it cheaper just because you complain.

Our catchment is very mixed, half is quite a 'naice' middle class area Edwardian semis and detached with large gardens etc, then behind the school is a large estate including two high rise, it's a 35% pupil premium school, it's also part of what seems to be a well funded academy trust. Lots of resources, very well staffed (a teacher and two full time TAs in every class in infants) a full time wildlife ranger who manages out for learning and forest school which the children do for a full day once every 3 weeks per class. These things will all have an impact on terms of the expectations of costs to parents.

Thanks all. Part of the issue is it's getting so expensive for average earners that people aren't using it as much so not sure how sustainable it is. I can't see any issue with giving feedback, up to them what they do with it.

If the consensus is that it's the market rate then clearly I won't say anything!

We pay £3.50 for breakfast club (1 hour, 7.45-8.45) I suspect that isn't for profit, it's ran by the school itself.

After school club a company comes in, 2 hours 3.30-4.30, and 4.30-5.30 it's about £4.30 for each hour, you can just pay for the first. Get a snack in the second.

2 form entry primary school (three tier) in North East (further North than you).

Breakfast club cost £5 for 7.30-8.45 with breakfast Included, sibling discount £4 and able to use tax free childcare vouchers.

After school is 3:15 to:
4:15 £5 (£4 sibling discount)
5:15 £7.50 (£6 sibling discount)
5:45 £10 (£8 sibling discount)

After school includes snack and they basically free play but there is plenty of stuff to do, hama beads, colouring, board games, dress up etc

Also you are able to book on an ad hoc basis.

Yes can book ad hoc and they are very flexible, which is a big benefit.

Demand will also play a role, here most families have two working parents, no one can afford for SAHMs even those in professional careers, because of the cost of housing and lots of commuters working long hours. In cheaper areas you're more likely to have one parent at home or part time meaning the demand for ASC will be less.

We paid similar for wrap around care when we were in the UK, there was an additional charge of £3 for food.

If 50 kids attend then it's hardly prohibitive. And if under 8 years of age, there are still ratios to adhere to.

Scotland here and it's £4 for breakfast club and £12 for after school club. Holiday club run by the same people is £24 a day.

How can people afford this? Especially if you have a younger child in nursery. Think childcare costs are going to prohibit us from having a second sadly

Ours sounds quite cheap, £6 for Breakfast club in the South East, for an hour and a quarter with a good hot breakfast included.

South Yorkshire here and ours is also private but attached to the school. Both sessions are £5 including breakfast in the morning (toast/cereal) and a light snack in the afternoon. The sticking point with ours is it closes at 5:30, meaning it's not much use for anyone who commutes from out of town and finishes at 5pm as the cut off time is too early. Previously it closed at 6pm. That half hour has made a massive difference to numbers but I think the cost is quite reasonable.

School is in a fairly deprived area. £2.50 before school (up to 45 mins) £5 after school (up to 1hr 45 mins). Could do with longer wraparound to be honest but have adjusted my work hours to work with it. Wraparound covers 8am - 5pm

Especially as it's not the school doing it but a private company. They shut down if they can't make enough money.

Our breakfast club is £5.15 7:30-9am inc breakfast, going up by 50p in April.
After school is £10.25 3-6pm inc snack, going up by i think 75p in April

The price looks about right to me (although of course little about the cost of childcare is right). We're in NI and pay:

£1 for breakfast club which opens at 8 but doesn't feed them.

£16 (I think) for after school club at school. They bring a snack. Seems to be just free play in a classroom. Every lost jumper on the class WhatsApp seems to be a child who goes to the school after school club.

£33 for after school at an external provider (the nursery our DC went to before school). Pick up from school, a small hot meal cooked from scratch, lots of guided activities like arts and crafts. Then a lift back to the nursery where our youngest is so we only have one pickup.

The external ASC is definitely better than the one at school but I don't know what it's twice as good and the bill feels steep on the days she has a club at school til 3. Not sure what we'll do when youngest is at school.