To say that the next generation is primarily screwed in terms of resilience

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And WTF do we do about it?

Obviously many young people are wonderfully resilient but the overall trend I’ve seen in my line of work (behavioural education) is that there are vast, and I mean VAST numbers of young adults who cannot leave the house, come into a classroom, look someone in the eye, make a phone call, speak infront of the class (if they make it in), cry when pronouns are wrong (daily occurrence), take responsibility to revise/get a job/learn to drive.

What is going to happen to these humans in the future?

But equally within it we see wait lists going up as people don't follow the advice given, don't turn up for appointments, abusive to staff which leads to long term staff sickness

This is intersting because it goes to prove @MrsSunshine2b s point. After all its not the children, or not just children, not following advice, missing appointments and being abusive to staff

My teaching colleague attended a seminar the other day. It was on the subject of the lack of productivity expected in the next generation workforce.
It is a real concern.

So how exactly do you propose parents working full time jobs x2, navigating col crisis change zero MH provision anywhere , online dangers and a world completely beholden to smartphones, crumbling schools, a shit education system, a broken nhs, climate change, housing difficulties …

So by omission she’s guilty?! FFS honestly.

Sorry, you’re aware of children who are being abused? Have you reported this to the police? Or are you talking in general terms and you’re just dumping those kids in with anyone who didn’t go to school for a year for some reason? Kids who have an abusive home life, of course will suffer more, but that doesn’t extend to ALL children who were home schooled for a year. It’s like suggesting all children who go to school are traumatised because some children might be abused by their teacher. 2 different things.

And please do point out where I said children in third world countries don’t have mental health problems, because you seem to be twisting what I actually said.

Your interpretation of my tone is up to you, but it says nothing about me.

Someone said not much research has been posted.

This link gives data on anxiety - rose in all age groups during the pandemic and is now dropping back. Young people are more likely to be anxious.

So the pandemic has had an effect but on something that was already there.

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/explore-mental-health/statistics/anxiety-statistics#:~:text=Younger%20people%20are%20more%20likely,and%20over%20(5%25%20likely)

This article is US based but they have seen similar trends and their research suggests academic stress, economic stress and social media.

Sorry - US article

ballardbrief.byu.edu/issue-briefs/the-rise-of-anxiety-and-depression-among-young-adults-in-the-united-states

I think there's a similarity with VAR in football!! Bear with me...

VAR was put in place in response to really poor decisions by officials in matches. But now, because they have the technology, it's used all the time for all kinds of situations.

For so many years children/young people/anyone really were not listened to who had issues with mental health. There was a stigma and generally speaking adults/people in authority were believed over children/potentially vulnerable people. Which was not good obviously. Now there's a concerted effort by the culture of this country's society to talk about heath care and ideally to check in on everyone's mental health. Which seems to be a better thing.

A direct response to the previous situation.

But where is the line to be drawn? Should it be drawn? As pp said, people learn resilience through security. But how is that universally achieved? How do we get the balance right?

I think many think that helicopter parenting and permissive parenting are actually very harmful for children.

This.

Natural consequences are much more effective.

Children need to be trusted, allowed to make mistakes and gain confidence.

They also need time away from parents with peers in real life situations to learn how to manage social conflicts.

And you seem to be forgetting that a lot of these children were banned from contact without anyone outside their family for over a year

No they weren't. Summer 2020 people were meeting up in the open air. Autumn 2020 many, if not all, were back at school. And no-one was 'banned' from contacting anyone outside their family by phone, Facetime etc at any time - which as we keep being told on threads about mobile phones, is how young people keep in touch with their friends these days.

You mean the generation who was taken out of school, educated in challenging circumstances and has then had to adjust to being back in school again, so long as there are no strikes (which I support) and their classroom isnt about to collapse in on itself...

Sounds a bit like my mother's generation. She was ten years old in 1939. Her house actually did collapse in on itself, when she was in it, but that was only due to a bomb, not crumbling concrete.

I would wonder whether your FIL is in the correct job TBH.

Your post doesnt even make sense in the context of my original post now and for someone accusing me of twisting things thats exactly what you have done

I have no interesting in posting with someone not responding in good faith

Relationship breakdowns, housing issues, bereavement.
Whilst these can and do absolutely lead to distress it is rare that they lead to serious mental illness. The majority of these issues can't be treated by mental health services.
Many people can not tolerate the feelings that naturally come with these experiences.
It is normal to feel sad and distressed when a relationship breaks down or you lose a loved one. Sitting with this distress is part of the process of grief. Many look for a quick fix which just doesn't exist.

Clarify what you mean by staff like me??

My guess is most of the students you see would have been in different provisions previously. Many may have been in SEN settings or in MH facilities. Now those services are cut to nothing you are seeing them.

I think alot of people are crumbling under a guise of what looks like resilience, so it's not true resilience.
There are plenty of adults that don't let people see the cracks and hide their vulnerabilities and maybe don't let their guard down until they're at home or with people they truly trust.
I think that's what people get confused with.
I live on a council estate with lots of different people that I am able to get close to and they share their worries and fears with me which I have great respect for. I share with them my struggles too: a man I know finds it very difficult to leave the house and is on benefits for his anxiety disorder and the NHS hasn't offered him the right help. He's also deeply afraid of thunder storms.
Just have that in mind.

Yes.

Dismissing the huge pressures youngsters are under as “ they just can't cope with every day life …..They seem to not be able to cope with any stress.” is pretty shit and doesn’t say much about her as a therapist.

“not sure what's causing it tbh” illustrates a complete lack of awareness she should have if she’s working with 17-22 year olds as a therapist. It’s hugely worrying if she doesn’t.

Sadly, I think you’re wrong. This is a new cohort. They don’t have SEN, and MH issues wouldn’t have reached the threshold. This stuff is new.

She didn’t dismiss them. She just didn’t mention them. Do we have mention them in every post??

Sounds a bit like my mother's generation. She was ten years old in 1939. Her house actually did collapse in on itself, when she was in it, but that was only due to a bomb, not crumbling concrete.

Yes and that would explain why suicide rates shot up after the war and continued that way until the 1960s because people's mental health was impacted

And whilst covid is in no way the same as being bombed in a country at war, some of the resulting impacts seem to be following a similar pattern

I've been in mainstream ed for 40 yrs. (Now retired from my permanent post, but do a bit of secondary supply.)

When I was in my permanent post, the kids who complained about 'misgendering' weren't the actual 'trans' kids, but their pals - looking to stir up a fuss.

The one time I remember a trans kid getting in a strop with me was when a 'non-binary' girl I encountered on supply went in the huff when I used the name that she had written on the front of her jotter.

Oh...and I've twice been corrected by non 'trans' kids for being 'sexist' when I dared to say 'Ladies and gentlemen'.

I actually think it’s just presenting itself in different ways. Older generations didn’t have the support / understand that’s here now so resort to anger / shouting / etc. whereas younger people understand it more so might get upset but will also access help.

Edit to add that there was likely fear of judgement from older generations whereas younger generations won’t fear that that to the same degree.

Couldn’t agree more. I also work in education and it’s a real issue and an almost daily topic of conversation amongst staff. 80% attendance is pretty much average in our school, that’s kids missing an average of a day a week. It’s worrying.

"Gentle parenting" happened to the young people described by the op. The ones who have never had to face a consequence or make an effort. The ones whose parents refuse to accept that their child is anything but perfect. The helicopter parents, the ones who don't teach that along with having rights comes having responsibilities. The ones who wait on their offspring hand and foot only pausing to ensure they have the latest tech/trainers/ fashion

Fortunately the ones who are resilient ,hardworking and who have integrity are still in the majority

I completely agree. I’ve worked with children for almost my entire 30year career, and specifically with adolescents for 20 years and thee change in their level of resilience is staggering and quite frankly terrifying!
I believe that this trend can be reversed, but it’ll take parents getting on board with allowing their children to fail and experience the unpleasant feelings as well as the good from a young age, not swooping in to fix everything for them…

Daily crying about pronouns ? Don’t be daft. Are we in tabloidland ?