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To say that the next generation is primarily screwed in terms of resilience

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Namechangechangeobv · 26/02/2024 13:14

And WTF do we do about it?

Obviously many young people are wonderfully resilient but the overall trend I’ve seen in my line of work (behavioural education) is that there are vast, and I mean VAST numbers of young adults who cannot leave the house, come into a classroom, look someone in the eye, make a phone call, speak infront of the class (if they make it in), cry when pronouns are wrong (daily occurrence), take responsibility to revise/get a job/learn to drive.

What is going to happen to these humans in the future?

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SilverTay · 10/03/2024 00:20

"Strong people create good times, good times create weak people, weak people create hard times, hard times create strong people

Wow never heard that quote before. So true!

Hazelnutwhirl · 10/03/2024 00:36

SilverTay · 10/03/2024 00:20

"Strong people create good times, good times create weak people, weak people create hard times, hard times create strong people

Wow never heard that quote before. So true!

I also hadn’t heard this saying until recently but think it is spot on. The problems we have now are societal not just generational. If you do everything for a child it doesn’t give then the confidence in there own abilities. My parents keep having to bribe the grandkids to go to school, when I was younger you would have be grilled if you didn’t go to school unless you were ill.

chaosmaker · 10/03/2024 17:32

Also parents were glad that other people were telling their children off if they needed it and asked them why they'd been told off. Not attack the person who let them know they were playing up.

taxguru · 10/03/2024 17:35

SilverTay · 10/03/2024 00:20

"Strong people create good times, good times create weak people, weak people create hard times, hard times create strong people

Wow never heard that quote before. So true!

Or...

My biggest mistake was my best lesson... you don't learn anything when everything is going perfectly.

(Olivia Newton-John)

Papyrophile · 10/03/2024 20:24

My favourite version of the same message is: the only place success comes before work is a dictionary.

chaosmaker · 10/06/2024 13:18

I still don't know what the point of exams are 30 years on.... failed mine then did a btec and a degree when I wanted to. Only retained tiny bits of stuff I had to do in school that was irrelevent to my life and I was in the top of the top band with brilliant people. One of whom went to Cambridge. What is the point of all that stress?

MrsSunshine2b · 10/06/2024 13:34

SilverTay · 10/03/2024 00:20

"Strong people create good times, good times create weak people, weak people create hard times, hard times create strong people

Wow never heard that quote before. So true!

No, hard times create traumatised, angry people with mental health and personality disorders. Otherwise we'd have had seen loads of strong people after WW2 sent a load of 16 yos to the trenches, instead of a whole generation of broken, shell-shocked men, and studies into parenting would have found that child abuse results in strong adults.

JamSandle · 10/06/2024 13:43

MrsSunshine2b · 10/06/2024 13:34

No, hard times create traumatised, angry people with mental health and personality disorders. Otherwise we'd have had seen loads of strong people after WW2 sent a load of 16 yos to the trenches, instead of a whole generation of broken, shell-shocked men, and studies into parenting would have found that child abuse results in strong adults.

Exactly. Hard times create damaged and hurt people. Just because they hide it well and push on doesn't mean they're coping.

Papyrophile · 10/06/2024 13:46

WW2 wasn't fought in trenches; you are thinking of the First World War @MrsSunshine2b.

MrsSunshine2b · 10/06/2024 13:54

Papyrophile · 10/06/2024 13:46

WW2 wasn't fought in trenches; you are thinking of the First World War @MrsSunshine2b.

From Wikipedia:
"The return of mobile warfare in World War II reduced the emphasis of trench warfare, as defenders commonly lacked the time to build up such battlefield defences before they were forced to redeploy, due to the more rapidly-changing strategic situation. But trench systems were still effective, wherever mobility was limited, the front lines were static, or around known critical objectives that could not be bypassed. More quickly improvised defensive fighting positions, using "scrapes" or "foxholes", that can be supplemented by sand bags, local materials, debris, or rubble, remain in common use. These are typically improved and expanded by the defenders, eventually becoming full trench systems, if given enough time and resources."

Although the history of the exact methods used in WW2 are not really relevant to the point I was making.

Defensive fighting position - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_fighting_position

Teajenny7 · 10/06/2024 17:12

SomeCatFromJapan · 29/02/2024 08:50

Telephones were not common in houses in the 1940s. I am amazed someone thinks they were. Even in 1970 only 35% of households had a telephone. It was only in 1944 that education became compulsory between ages 5 and 15 years old. Things were very different in the 1940s just after the war.

I'm going on the experience of my parents. They had secondary and tertiary education and they had telephones at home post-war when they were children. I know because I was fascinated by them telling me about party lines.

You’ve more patience than me. I wasn’t going to bother trying to educate that poster.

You're right, I'm an idiot, my parents must have been lying to me.

I will clarify that I grew up in a different country though. I assumed the UK would have been more advanced than where I lived but apparently not.

Edited

We had a phone but our next-door neighbours didn't have them in the early 70s. They gave out our number. I remember my parents had periods of unemployment. Luckily not at the same time! If your company went bust you didn't get redundancy. Maternity leave was virtually non-existent.

They stressed education and getting a degree. All four of their children went to University. Both my parents did part-time degrees when we left home.
I always think it is hilarious when MN thinks women did not work. My Granny worked, my aunties and my Mum worked Some of them owned their businesses.

Every generation faces different problems.
I went to Secondary school in the mid-70s. Our tutor would check the length of our skirts, we were made to wash our makeup off, and wear school shoes. Detentions and punishments for forgotten equipment and homework. I don't remember any serious problems at school.

The word 'resilience' is relatively new in the vernacular.

I often wonder if the increase in students who choose to study psychology has caused us all to overthink things.

I often hear parents and pupils use words and when you delve deeper their understanding is very superficial. It is a bit like my understanding of Physics I know the lingo but don't understand the concepts.

Before anyone gets upset my second degree was a MSc in Psychology.

Validus · 12/06/2024 15:12

Abitofalark · 02/03/2024 17:08

Haven't read the thread so don't know if it's been mentioned.

I've just seen an article in UnHerd by Mary Harrington about a book called Bad Therapy by Abigail Shrier.

The gist is that bad therapy and therapeutic parenting are bad for children and don't produce resilience. Father-style authoritative parenting is absent and mothers are in the dock for mother-style parenting. Not a cheering read.

https://unherd.com/2024/02/bad-therapy-is-stunting-our-kids/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3

What’s mother style parenting?

5128gap · 12/06/2024 15:19

They'll find it if they need to. Human beings by nature have a great deal of resilience, ability to adapt and to find a way to survive and cope with hardship. The people you're referring to have just never had to find it is all. If the world panders around them removing every small discomfort or inconvenience, turns itself inside out to avoid causing the tiniest upset, well of course they will take advantage of the huge comfort blanket wrapped around them, play on it for attention and enjoy the fuss. However, take it away and they won't dissolve. They'll kick up a little, then they'll adapt and get on with it.

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