Concerned about women's rights? "Transphobe, far right!". Concerned about Palestinians? "Terrorist sympathiser! anti semite!"

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Tiresome.

This just isn't true. This site is extremely GC - but you won't find another place IMO that is more pro boys/men wearing whatever they like, boys having completely free access to any and all traditionally girls toys and challenging almost any other gender stereotype there is.
The problem people have on here isn't with challenging gender stereotypes, that is absolutely applauded on here. The problem is when people start to conflate sex and gender. Gender can be whatever you like, it's a concept, a social construct made up by people and generally based on stereotypes - feel free to challenge and mess with that in any way you like. But when people think that because they can play with gender they must also be able to change sex - and so they're not just dressing like a woman but actually becoming a woman - then that is a problem. It's a problem because sex is binary and changing sex is not a biological possible not matter how much some people want it to be. It then potentially leads to biological men in women's prisons and changing rooms and biological men's crimes being recorded as crimes by women.

I also disagree that most people on here who think what is happening in Palestine is wrong are anti semitic. People are able to separate out what a Prime Minister does from what the average person does/thinks - we have to be able to do that in this country with the list of horrendous PM's we've had! The attacks on innocent Israeli people by Hamas were absolutely horrific. But the response has also been horrific. Completely innocent people on both sides have been treated appallingly. It's just all a very tragic situation.

The problem comes when groups of people say 'If you don't agree with every single thing we want then you're transphobic.' Or 'If you don't agree with every single thing the Israeli Prime Minister does then you're anti semitic.' There are plenty in of moderate people in both groups NOT saying this, but it's those that are that are generally the problem IMO.

How convenient to make a thread covering not just one but two of the most contentious issues on MN.

Wind 'em up and watch 'em go, eh OP?

And Israeli women aren't waiting for western feminists either. Which is lucky, given it took the UN 8 weeks to condemn the slaughter and sexual violence against women, girls and men that took place during the Hamas pogrom on 7 Oct.

No

But 99.99999 etc sexual assaults on women and girls are by male perpetrators and the offending pattern of an individual remains the same even after so called "transition "

Beautifully put

A useful indicator is to see how long it takes the more thoughtless to offer something they found on Twitter and the like ... I guarantee it won't be long

Every man is a potential rapist.... jeez

Also, statistically, 6% of men are sex offenders. But if we are looking at prison populations for example, about 50% of MtF trans prisoners are sex offenders. The trans community is made up of about 0.01% of the population. So are sex offenders 'self identifying' as women to get access to women's spaces? That seems likely, as they are more likely to be sex offenders than trans. The trans rights movement has caused problems for themselves with their 'no debate' stance because if, as they said at the start, 'If a person says they are a woman, believe them' then they cant then turn round and say Isla Bryson isn't a real Transwoman, because s/he is, according to their own rules. They wanted 'no debate' which means they didn't want anyone to point out flaws in their own argument. So when those obvious flaws start appearing, they have now got nowhere to go. Because they thought men issuing death and rape threats against women who didnt agree with them was a good alternative to debate and discussion. This is all on the TRA movement, Stonewall and Mermaids.

Haven’t RTFT but agree with you, OP. It’s very tiresome.

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Dogfisher · Today 08:10

Yes, such idiotic polarised thinking. Much of of coming from the holier than though Left too. Very tribal and not much independent thinking involved.
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You mean - from those who don't agree with you? Because it couldn't possibly be your polarised position on anything, because you are right. Nuanced thinking, and the ability to engage in rational and open debate is increasingly a rare phenomenon. It is etirely possible to be concerned about Palestinians and also to be concerned about Hamas terrorism and anti-semiticism. It is also entirely possible to be concerned about women's rights and also be concerned about transphobia and the far right (who have no interest in women's rights anyway).
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The OP's very premise screams their own polarised and "tribal" thinking

Completely agree. There are two sides to most arguments (with a few notable exceptions), often with some truth to both. Because someone doesn’t agree with you, doesn’t automatically make them idiotic. You are guilty of polarised thinking yourself. Try to broaden your view and understand the position of both sides. You’ll be less angry.

I think the misuse of the terms 'far right' and 'far left' has minimised the horrors of what the actual 'far right' and 'far Left' is. So instead of being murderous ideologies that between them have resulted in the deaths of millions worldwide, they are 'anyone who doesn't agree with you'. So anyone to the left of Liz Truss is Far Left, and anyone to the right of Jeremy Corbyn is 'Far Right'. Its ridiculous 'Luxury beliefs' nonsense. Especially when the actual far left and far right have far more in common with each other than any other ideologies. Hence Far Right Islamists finding a friend in the useful idiots of the British Left.

It's infuriating and very alienating for left wing feminists, especially as a lot of the GC 'feminists' can see that standing up for women's rights does not equal transphobia but not that being pro Palestinian does not equal antisemitism.

It's 1. Really lazy thinking

1. A distraction from the real issue.

Yes it was a disgrace. I think that many so called feminists ignored and minimised what happened on Oct 7 because these women were not on the 'right side'. Probably the same kind of 'feminists;' who think that transwomen are the most oppressed people in history.

Good post.

Clearly, not every man is a rapist but nearly every rapist is a man 🙁

Spot on

Well, i have news for you.

Every murderer is a human, therefore every human is a potential murderer.

So what?

Yes every human is a potential murderer

Although even there I think that men make up the majority

Sexual assault is an extremely common act - murder isn't

you have women not walking home alone at night for fear of sexual assault yet at the same time people telling us that there is no reason to not want or get naked in a communal changing room with men

@Rosestulips you've summed up where I stand in the trans debate.

You clearly haven't met many people in real life if that's your conclusion. Amused at someone who's world experience is so limited that they have never met anyone with complex and nuanced opinions telling other people what they need to deal with. Perhaps you might like to reflect on the fact that 'people I have met' and 'everyone' have different meanings, with the first being far too small a sample size to enable you to draw conclusions about the second.

I think the worlds gone mad nothing makes sense anymore.

I think you'll find there isn't a person on the planet that has "an excessive and irrational fear" of transpeople.

Oh, we've moved on from that. In the pro-Palestine marches, the new phrase is are you on 'the right side of history' or 'the white side of history'. Pretty much sums up the bigoted mindset of the virtue signallers and the rent-a-mob. More concerned with pushing their agenda than ending the conflict.

Ironic given that the majority of Israelis have the same genetic decent as those within Gaza!

Yes every human is a potential murderer

When the country I currently live in had conscription, you could do an alternative to being in the army if you could demonstrate that you would never ever pick up arms, not even to defend yourself or your family. Most men (at the time only male people were conscripted, nowadays on paper it is both sexes, but nobody is conscripted anymore) were honest enough to state yes, if their life or their families was threatened they would fight back.

So yes, every human is a potential murderer, every man is a potential rapist. Most men won't rape, just as most humans won't murder. But looking at pornhub statistics more men are attracted to rape than you would ever want to consider.