Concerned about women's rights? "Transphobe, far right!". Concerned about Palestinians? "Terrorist sympathiser! anti semite!"

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Tiresome.

Someone was sounding off the other day about "from the river to the sea", so I asked him which river, and which sea, and of course the fucktard didn't have the first clue.

Reminds me of a conversation I was having a few weeks ago with a group of people who wanted to "free Palestine". I asked them where it was. Not one of them could point to Palestine, Gaza or even Israel on a map.

And once again, because it's a phrase that's always brought up, "From the river to the sea" originates from the Israeli Likud Party. It's not a phrase the Palestinians started, they adapted it. So why wasn't it genocidal when the actual committees of genocide use it, but it's genocidal when the people dying in their thousands and displaced in their millions use it?

But why would 'gender' have anything to do with women's single SEX spaces?

*committers

Such as proclaiming airily that the only sensible, intelligent position is one way.

Yet that’s exactly what you did in your first post when you declared that all GC people are transphobes.

I've seen staunch feminists saying we can't support Palestinians because that's supporting Hamas

Where is the evidence of this?

I suspect that no answer will come to this eminently sensible question.

I haven't seen anyone saying that we can't support Palestinians because of Hamas. I really haven't, but I have no doubt such idiocy is out there. We have to support Palestinian women and children precisely BECAUSE Hamas are a gang of murderous thugs who won't help them and will use them as human shields

I'm genuinely interested to know what people who think 'gender is more complicated' think a man or a woman is.

How can someone 'feel' like a woman? A woman is born female. It's coded into every cell in our bodies. Surely 'feeling' like a woman is just imagination and a sense of wanting to ascribe to the gender stereotypes we all said we wanted to move away from.

I don't 'feel' like a woman. I'm just a woman. What am I missing, here? Like genuinely I don't give a shit if men want to wear dresses and makeup - they should be able to do that and still just be men.

Does that make me 'transphobic' @Justifiedcheese ? Because I neither hate transpeople nor am particularly afraid of them - they're just people. I just don't understand the rationale behind validating a belief that has no basis in objective truth.

And proceeds to denigate sensible, intelligent people who understand that gender is more complicated.

I've never witnessed anyone even defining what gender is beyond listing a bunch of outdated sexist stereotypes. Sex is real, binary and unchangeable. Gender is what? Basically just personality traits and aesthetic preferences, categorised by what is supposedly womanly or manly. How very progressive and inclusive...

I would agree with this. 👆

It's the social media school of politics that's done it, there's no "and also" any more. It's possible to be concerned about women's rights and also trans rights they aren't mutually exclusive. It's possible to be concerned about the welfare of Palestinian people, condemn Hamas and not be an antisemite, but sadly most pro Palestine people I encounter are antisemitic (knowingly or not). As soon as they chant "from the river to the sea" I don't want to listen further.

I don't think the adding of the suffix "phobic" is helpful at all, the term was originally used for fear of open spaces or animals etc now it's just added on almost to end debate. Any accusation that anyone is phobic is an attempt to stifle rather than engage in any debate at all - people are entitled to their opinions.

There’s plenty of antisemitism in the pro-Palestinian movement. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there you go.

Oh no, I’ve posted on a plopper’s thread 🙄

Plopper?

FWIW, I couldn't give a flying fuck about 'gender', but I care very much what sex someone is because the male sex is a danger to the female sex and women and girls deserve safety and dignity away from males.
So you believe that every man is a potential rapist. Ok.

Well every man has the necessary tools which women don't?

Potential doesn't mean "thinks they are a rapist"

You have exactly the polarised thinking the op was talking about

FFS. Way to prove a point! 😂

Are you me? My exact position too.

That's spectacularly unlucky given that most people in the UK have broadly gender critical views.

Posted once and then fucked off

This first paragraph in itself is antisemitic. For a start it's denying hatred of Jews using linguistics. You are also massively incorrect saying semetic refers to Palestinians, it doesn't. Semetic does not by definition refer to any people it refers to languages. Furthermore, language is often more than the sum of it's parts - guinea pigs are neither from guinea nor pigs - things often come to mean more than their individual words. Antisemitic is a term coined in the 18th century to specifically refer to anti-jewish hatred. Please stop trying to deny Jewish people the right to self definition

I've also heard people saying islamophobia is incorrect as phobias are irrational and it's not irrational to be fearful of islam. This is equally abhorrent.

I agree with the poster who said that it happens a lot online and in the media

i see it a lot on here and i think it quite often shuts down debate, sometimes on purpose

Antisemitism does not include Palestinians. Antisemitism is solely hostility or prejudice against Jewish people.