To be irritated by this £100k a year whiner

[Viviennemary]

On Question Time tonight they were talking about subsidised childcare and the new benefits for younger children. Then a woman came on with a boo hoo sad face and said she wouldn't be getting it. So I think Fiona Bruce said because your income is £100k a year plus Then she said that it wasnt fair as there was only one wage. And their household only had one earner.

Well tough. Folk on just over £12k a year are paying tax and this cheeky woman thinks her child care should be subsidised. It made me mad.

True and Scotland is higher

Still they do not have those things

In a way it’s a bit of an odd policy as our household earns more than that but gets free hours.

On the other hand, one parent works and earns £100k and the other parent chooses not to work, then I don’t think they can moan.

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What's breathe of fresh air

You were talking about a functioning society, no one needs luxury cars for a functioning society. And many people on low incomes can’t support themselves, that’s the problem for society when there is a dwindling supply of net contributors.

Where does it say that she's a single parent? It says there's a single income in the household which is completely different.

The absurd cliff edge at 100k affects every single person on this thread.

The UK has the lowest productivity of all our peers. That means we get paid less and produce less than our competitor countries. That affects all of us. One reason is the ridiculous tax regime we have where people have no incentive to earn more after 95k, so they stop. They don't take promotion, they work part time, they don't put money into the economy and put it all into pensions. You don't have to feel bad for those people but you should feel bad for the effect on all of us. It is crippling our country.

Earn more, pay more tax. But no economic manual anywhere says to create massive incentives to not progress and to refuse more hours and promotions. Nowhere does it encourage setting incentives so that doctors who have been trained at great cost to the state are incentivised to cut their hours the minute they make consultant. Who would design that??

Low productivity is why our lower earners earn less than in peer countries. And our tax regime encourages low productivity. Slow clap to the government. And they've done it perfectly as we can't campaign as it looks like higher earnings complaining they're paying too much task. Gosh they're good.

Sorry, I missed that you'd said 'previously'

Perhaps you should get a better job or got your head down in school to get a better education so you could earn more? That way the rest of us wouldn't have to sub your free childcare?

The effective tax rate on earnings between 100k & 125k is 65% in Scotland. You keep 35%
It's little incentive to work harder.

Yep. This is a spiral, go high and you’ll have very few in the tax bracket which keeps pushing up taxes and lowering outcomes for everyone

Agree, however I think it’s deliberate. The Tories would rather low taxes and low public services services.

Does the argument that you shouldn't have kids if you can't afford to pay for them also apply to those earning 100k or is that a stick just reserved to beat lower income families with?

Totally agree

I mean, are they though?

The cost of living is extraordinary in London and the surrounds.

I’d query if these people were better off than even people earning around the child benefit cut off in cheaper parts of the country.

Perhaps you are also failing to acknowledge the reality of the cost of having young kids in more expensive parts of the country.

Of course she should be entitled to childcare, it’s her tax which is funding these govt schemes.

And whose fault is that? Wages haven't risen in line with living costs. Not everyone can be a net contributor, most of society won't be.

If you think we live in a meritocracy, then you're way out of touch with what's actually happening in this country.

Some people in this country have no idea how lucky they are to live somewhere with such free handouts. It's unfortunately created several generations of people who feel they are entitled. Try coming from a country where that financial safety net doesn't exist, this place is an absolute gem compared to that.

And who will then do the low paid jobs including the childcare providers earning wage?

Do people think when you get the funded hours you’re paying £0 for childcare?? If you work full time you’re most likely still paying over £1,000 a month.

Wouldnt u be happy to pay more tax per pound (as mentioned free childcare,free unis etc) rather than had your whole salary over for just childcare?

Yep, agree with everything you've said!

I’ve never earned and never will earn £100k. And I don’t have small kids or need childcare. But I think the woman was right. Posters have done the maths on here. The very fact that many of the public are so ignorant is what is allowing the government to crap on the people earning £100k. This is hurting all of us. We need GPs. They don’t want to get their earnings to £100k as they will lose money. So they cut their hours and everyone loses. Even the person on £12k as they can’t get an appointment.

Why not, though. Parents are being taxed twice then and that's grossly unfair

The reverse-snobbery on MN is awful. Higher earners regularly get a bashing; not allowed to complain about anything or they are “whiners”; any personal problems and out come the “diamond shoes” comments and “tiny violins”.

I’m a high earner and pay more than £150k in tax. I’ve also employed a nanny, a gardener and cleaner. I shop local.

Obviously I am not asking for thanks but I feel that I (and the people like me) are worthy of respect - or at least the chance to express concerns or talk about our viewpoint without outright derision.

My job is horrible. I work very long hours to the point it affects my health and relationships with my children. I posted on MN about this years ago and there was a chorus of sarcastic responses about how hard my life must be with nannies and cleaners, and “why don’t you just stop then”.

If I stop and become a SAHM, society will lose my tax. Three people will lose a regular income. I don’t understand why so many on MN would think this was a good outcome for anyone else but me. Their desire to get a dig in far outstripped what’s logical.

I also wonder about their aspirations for their own children. Do they want them to be low earners? Are they going to pick at them too if they are financially successful?