To be irritated by this £100k a year whiner

[Viviennemary]

On Question Time tonight they were talking about subsidised childcare and the new benefits for younger children. Then a woman came on with a boo hoo sad face and said she wouldn't be getting it. So I think Fiona Bruce said because your income is £100k a year plus Then she said that it wasnt fair as there was only one wage. And their household only had one earner.

Well tough. Folk on just over £12k a year are paying tax and this cheeky woman thinks her child care should be subsidised. It made me mad.

No, they'll increase their pricing to the few people who actually pay. It'd be like care homes where private residents pay extra to subsidise the state paid residents because the state won't pay enough.

If they don't make the profits they need, they'd close down. No one would run one at a loss.

Yes a lot of people seem ready to shoot themselves in the foot

Countries compete over high earners / wealthy for a reason

And let's not forget the 3 million who were excluded due to ridiculous rules, many of whom lost their savings and businesses, many lost their jobs, some lost their homes, a few lost their lives. It wasn't a particularly fair system and loads of people (of all incomes) made a lot of money from it that they didn't need, at the expense of the excluded, many of whom got nothing.

I dispute that premise. Even if it were correct, it’s not set in stone. It could easily be revenue neutral if the political will existed to do it. Obviously it doesn’t and it suits this government to have us all fighting like rats in a sack because it distracts from how they’ve ripping us all off, regardless of what we earn.

Look at Guerney
No capital gains tax
No death duties
No inheritance tax

A lower tax free personal allowance than UK
A Blanket 20% tax for everyone on earnings.

Lovely. Many reasons to leave the UK
A boats handy though🤣

Loads. Do you really think performing life saving surgery on someone for example is easier than playing with some toys with your child.

LOL.

Have you read my comments above or have you just chosen to ignore them?

When they are bringing in £300k and £200k of it is being paid out on staff, how much profit do you think the average nursery owner is making after rent, food, utilities, business rates, etc, etc?

You are clueless.

. The statisic states that 8.5% of 16 to 65 year olds have never worked. The vast majority being under 25, not the Daily mail imagined "not working between the age of 16 and 65. Incudes wives that have never worked and Also includes disabled and chronically sick people of which I have known 2, both wanting to work but employers, of course totally disinterested. Stop taking in the right wing propaganda and rhetoric and do some research.
Note also that many of these people are not on benefits.

Then it is a broken system and at its core are property prices and rents, ie part of an artificially inflated false economy that most of the population and all politicians are deluded about.

I’ll tell you something else that is utterly unfair and crippling for nursery owners: nurseries can’t charge VAT. OK, fair dos, parents don’t want to pay VAT. But the knock on effect is that every single purchase made costs 20% more for a nursery than any other business. And believe me, nurseries go through a lot of consumables.

ONS breaks it all down already soooo 🤷🏻‍♀️ you asked how many were disabled I gave you a percentage, not an opinion

but someone earning 100k is actually not taking home a lot for their hard work getting to that leave in the first place
so it's not as if they don't feel rich .
they actually are NOT Rich .
and then it gets worse when you are a single parent that has worked to that level

There’s some truth in that, of course, but the main issue is that minimum wage has risen to a level that is unmanageable for a small business forced to employ so many people.

It can’t even be resolved by increasing adult/child ratios. No one will want to hear this, but the truth is that children’s behaviour is becoming increasingly unmanageable as a result of modern parenting. They couldn’t be safely managed in larger groups. About 25% of 2 year funded children require 1:1 support for their own and everyone else’s safety. It has to be experienced to be believed.

Political will can’t turn water into wine.

And I’m always bemused by the ‘oh they just want to distract us by making us turn on each other while they do XYZ’.

The Tories themselves are the rats, they pick off what they can but they’re not the actual reason the country is skint. We’re skint due to general Western decline, covid, a needy public who won’t take any responsibility for their health/children, and the fact a fifth of the workforce is MIA.

Do you work in a nursery? What’s going on?

I own a nursery.

What do you mean, what’s going on?

Sorry I meant, do that many children really need 1 to 1s solely due to poor parenting?

How many threads do you read on here about children who won’t sleep? The consensus among modern parents is that it’s normal for children not to sleep. They don’t believe in allowing them to self-settle, so the result is a generation (or two) of children who are utterly sleep-deprived, with all the attendant behavioural problems that brings. And don’t even get me started on the damage caused by giving children access to electronic devices.

Modern parents get all their childcare advice from the internet and have no respect for their own parents and grandparents. Their kids, in a lot of cases, are completely messed up. At least half of the comments on this forum are from parents whose kids have special needs. There has been a massive increase in the number of children with special needs in the past 10 years or so, no doubt about that. But there’s a reason why health visitors urge parents to apply for funded hours at nurseries before referring children for assessments - they know that a lot of these children are crying out for the structure their parents are unable to provide.

Anyway, the point is that it’s hard enough to manage these children within normal ratios, never mind higher ones.

There is over 9k difference in take home pay between 2 ppl earning 50k and one earning 100.

So your 'feelings' on this aren't really matched by facts. They are abstract ideas that maybe you want to believe but that doesn't make them true.

God I didn’t know it was that bad. I’m so worried about what this means for the workforce in 20 odd years, will these children even be employable? Do you believe the damage caused by spending your first few years of life not sleeping and on screens can be reversed? Or once done are they destined for a life of being in and out of various systems and being unproductive?

What facts would you like?

Yep and then entitled to childcare and possibly chb too.

All of this. To be honest MN is a good example of this. Find any bash the teacher thread. Very, very quick to blame the educators or say EYFS is just “playing with toys.” No idea how to parent or how children develop. Parents themselves need to spend less time on screens and I don’t know - actually parent.