School detention for forgetting a ruler?

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Just interested - how many people have secondary school aged kids whose school gives a detention for forgetting basic equipment like a ruler?

I wonder does it really teach kids to be organised. Surely it just means disorganised people get lots of detentions? And feeds anxiety?

My schooling in the 90s felt pretty strict but this seems borderline bonkers. My dd currently “can’t borrow a school library book for the rest of the year” as she’s so anxious about getting a detention because she handed her last book in two weeks late. So now we are visiting our local library instead to provide her with books to read! I have obviously told her to just get the detention over and done with but she is adamant and determined to avoid it.

vote Yabu for No detention given
and Yanbu for Detention given.

Yeah those baskets are gone or they're being bought by a teacher out of their own pocket which they probably can't afford for much longer. What happens when they're gone and no one's got a spare, kids just sit there gormless? And then their aggressive parents ring up to moan to the school. probably.

That funding in schools being an issue thing you've heard about, it's actually a real problem and this is one of the ways it manifests itself so no you can't just handwave it away as nothing.

Surely if teachers just hand out spares, and there is no deterrent, then forgetting things will just become accepted and half the class will not bother bringing their kit with them?

Being organised and prepared, or having a strategy to help them remember, is a life skill that children need to learn. Otherwise they will be constantly locked out, not feeding their pets, running of of medication - all sorts.
We are always asking schools to help our children with life skills so this seems like a basic one.

My son has loads of stuff in his school bag that stays there. No need to remember anything as it never leaves his bag except in class. Parents need to encourage this.

Incidentally, my son got a detention today for drinking from his waterbottle in class - but that's a whole other topic😄I'm certainly not against this. He has plenty of time to drink water between lessons and in breaks. His fault for not doing as he was told.

You're the one who keeps bringing up stupidity, I think you've got a chip on your shoulder. You don't have to be stupid to not have all the knowledge in the world, stop trying to twist this into a discrimination issue, neuro typical people are frequently forgetful and disorganised and haven't necessarily heard all the strategies that can help. Again not everything is about you, you don't need to be so sensitive.

A detention for drinking water? Christ.

I never said it was about me. You really don't need to keep attacking me with this whole 'the world doesn't revolve around you'

I'm well aware. I'm just pointing out your ignorance around ND. But you're actually doing a really good job of that yourself.

I think your response about strategies was in relation to ND as if you were the first person ever to think about it. It wasn't just me that took issue with it either.

Yes, systems that do sweet FA other than make children feel inadequate over a pencil or totally non plussed about being rewarded for having one, surveillance, surveillance, surveillance. Pointless data accumulating on some cloud somewhere, how did we ever manage without such systems!

Parents are allowed, people are allowed to have an opinion on education and how it is delivered. Striving for perfection is incredibly damaging to young people and their cognitive development, people are allowed to hold that opinion.

Well you don't seem able to talk about anything else other than yourself. Otherwise why are you so against children who necessarily don't know everything yet, because they're children, being given help and strategies that will help them their whole lives by the people that are meant to know them best, their parents? The only reason can be that you're so self obsessed you got offended and upset and now can't see past the end of your nose.

No it wasn't, it was in relation to everyone who struggles with responsibility and organisation. But you know when you've got a hammer everything starts to looks like a nail I guess.

@Chocolatebuttonns I think most working Mums feel like that. I’m not ND but I’m a working single parent and my life revolves around lists and reminders. I have an ongoing master list and daily sub-lists. I would literally rather lose my purse than my list, because without it I’d be completely lost. I have multiple reminders on my phone. Being a parent is hard work.

I have no idea why people are arguing about neuro diversity as op has not said that her child is Nd. Children have to learn to follow the rules eventually, if you don't agree with your schools rules then home educate.
I notice no child ever forgets that vital educational resource their phone.

Okay. If you say so. We can all see your vile opinions on ND for ourselves.

So where's the money coming from to pay for all the equivalent?

Or is it that only those who paid get to borrow?

Who's policing which parents have paid?

It is rare for a school not to allow drinking in lessons.
So the school must have had a reason for that.

But then it is only on here that the children drinking never make it in to a huge drama.

The rattling, banging, slurping, bubbling, gurgling, gargling, hissing, dropping and flipping of the bottle.

But then there is a huge difference between taking a quick sip and creating a drama out of it.

Loser? What have I lost?!

The argument! The fact that you've been reduced to making ad hominem attacks just proves it.

@FrippEnos and @Chocolatebuttonns ,

Drinking generally isn’t allowed in labs, for fairly obvious reasons.

And I do find it strange how, when I was at school, literally no one would drink in lessons, as water bottles just weren’t a thing (and we had long days and long periods between breaks).

Now you get pupils asking to drink as they are suddenly desperately thirsty and might get a headache….

It's almost as if some children don't always tell the truth, even to their Mummy or that they aren't always perfectly behaved?! Shhh there's plenty on here that couldn't take the shock.

There are also computer rooms ( I have had to empty keyboards of water and juice before now) and some technology labs.
But in standard classrooms its strange.
I also agree that the constant drinking of water didn't used to be a thing.

It's almost as if people have no imagination and can't comprehend a different point of view and reduce all debate to winning and losing.

I think you fail to realise how badly behaved/violent kids are in schools.
.and how disruptive things like water bottles can be.... It's not the drinking water that's the actual problem in of itself...

It's the kids fiddling with bottles (tapping, crunching , spinning, flipping, retrieving from bag), wanting to refill them in the middle of lesson, spilling water, deliberately pouring water on desks/paper/carpets/other pupils, spitting water out, throwing the bottles around/at people, people remarking that "Oi! Kelly's got vodka in he water bottle" ...and any other mischief a bored teenager can think of.

Easiest to ban water bottles in the classroom/make them keep them in bags.

Ok Hun.

Good comeback.

@hamsterchump I had a dad march into my classroom ( don’t know how he got past reception) as I’d sent his son out for ‘putting something in the bin’. How could he possibly be punished for recycling?! The real story was he was repeatedly throwing paper balls across the room in the general direction of the bin by the board including while I was standing at that board trying to teach. Kids often tell a version of a story.