Even more cyclists now breaking the law

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Most drivers and pedestrians will be aware of this as many have seen or been victims of a cycle rider.

Watching Talktv this morning there was a lady who had lost her mother due to an e-scooter rider on the pavement. The show had a lawyer on talking about what I agree with, IE cyclists are very hard to identify if they get away from an accident.

E-scooters we all know are against the law unless provided for by your local council in central London. Several times over the years, me and the family have had close calls with them on pavements and parks as they zoom down, you cant hear them and they often dress in all black clothing.

Push bike riders are travelling faster and faster as many more have those battery packs on them

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph We are all aware how some push bike riders have ignored the rules for years, EG jump red lights, ignore pedestrians on crossings, cause accidents and walk of or rise off and now, much more able to break the speed limits off 20mph with almost 100% impunity and some that at red lights get o the pavement and cross a red light that way or some just ride on pavements

For the record, note, Its some cyclists not all but we have all seen them more so as going to work, or dropping off children at schools the speed of some of these riders

The Talktv debate also talked about those who kill people while riding a push bike/scooter, I think they said the maximum prison sentence was two years (I may be wrong) but the laws needed vast improvements.

This had been talked about a lot before but nothing happened.

AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket (This would in my judgment make many more riders more responsible for their actions and our roads/pavements safer for all)

The police need to be more proactive on e-scooter riders. However, as cyclists are almost impossible to identify, my proposal as above will aid the police and hopefully, modify the dangerous behaviours of those cyclists that are now regularly breaking the law, EG, travelling at more than the speed allowed, jumping red lights, putting pedestrians at risk on crossings and pavements.

He doesn't know and doesn't care.

With 8m regular cyclists, plus children and new cyclists coming on stream/ or leaving... changing addresses, dying! we'd be looking at funding costs similar to the DVLA, councils, Police, insurance companies all needing real time access to catch the tiny number involves in accidents on a pavement.

All BS for regular cyclists...

Even with e-scooters, its simply not possible, they'd need to be classed as vehicles, mot's emission taxes insurances, tests... a bureaucratic nightmare.

bUt hiGH viS tAbArDs?

Yes, I said that the chances of identifying the cyclist are similar to identifying a driver. Anyone who has been following this thread knows that most hit-and-run drivers get away with it.

You can be as obtuse as you like, but just re-clarify, that means 'not well at all' - now which number 'last word' are we on?

@DdraigGoch

You said and I quote

""DdraigGoch · Yesterday 22:13

About as well as you identify most hit-and-run drivers""

The "identifying oft hit-run drivers" is by way of number plates on the whole and if not noted at the scene they are often seen on cctv cams, dash cams, cycle cams etc

You can't catch cycle riders as they have no number plate.

The other day, that worthless cyclist that damaged our car as we waited to turn left by clipping our morror then the waste of space jumped the red lights. We are having to pay for the damage to our car as we had no chance of ctaching him/her up in traffic and we could not note their number plate as they don't have one. If cyclists had number plates, most likley the rider would have been more careful and stayed just behaind our car as we waited to turn left and had the indicator on, but if rider did still slip our car, most likey they would have stopped and that is a fact!

I'll let you have the last word as you are eager to backtrack on the post I quote you on.

now which number 'last word' are we on?

The last last last last last last last last absolutely last but maybe just a couple more lasts last last last word.

But maybe one more I’m not sure. There might be another last word. But that’ll be the last, probably, unless there’s just one more itty bitty last word, in which case that’ll be the last word.

Or two maybe

All posters with at least a double-digit IQ understood my post. There has been no backtracking. 90% of hit-and-run drivers get clean away.

So no. Most likely they would not have stopped, just as hit-and-run drivers do not stop.

90% of hit-and-run drivers get clean away.

Ahhh but that’s because they’re not wearing a high vis with their I’d emblazoned onto it!

Maybe the OP’s onto something here?🤔

You seem to be very hot on percentages

You said initially before editing as I had stared to post
!!DdraigGoch · Today 22:06

All posters with at least a double-digit IQ understood my post. There has been no backtracking. 90% of hit-and-run drivers get clean away."

Kindly post the number of cyclists that get away with hit and run

I'm pretty sure you wont and I can safely assume why.

Go on bud, prove me wrong.

Kindly post the number of cyclists that get away with hit and run

An awful lot less than the perfectly identifiable motorists that hit either pedestrians or cyclists. 😐

Do you truly not see the futility in your argument yet?

I thought that you were giving me the last word (again)...

You want the statistics, you can find them. You've provided precious little in the way of evidence over the last 33 pages, unlike all of the posters replying. They probably aren't even compiled given that bicycles present so little danger compared with cars (only three pedestrian deaths per year caused by cyclists compared to thousands caused by motor traffic).

Would you like to put all pedestrians in numbered hi-vis jackets in order that we would be able to identify the yobs who damaged my parents' wing mirror? We might have identified the jogger who pushed that woman into the path of a bus.

Go on bud, prove me wrong.

Are you American by any chance? It would certainly explain the "car is king and vulnerable road users should get out of my way" attitude in your threads.

@DdraigGoch

You said and I quote

""DdraigGoch · Yesterday 22:13

About as well as you identify most hit-and-run drivers""

Yes, identify via car reg. It makes sense to get a bike/ or hi-vis reg.

Is there another way to nab cyclists that injure pedestrians, jump red lights, frighten the living daylights out of people on the pavement as the riders shoot past them

Rather than tell me how many cycle riders get caught for breaking the law, you start ranting about pedestrians wearing at "Hi-vis" in your post at 2217hrs tonight

Trust me bud, your distraction techniques wont work.

It's only a matter of time before a cyclist are made to have at least thrid party insurance and number plates will follow soon. Then traffic cams, dash cams and people with mobile phones can report the lawbreakers.

Yes, identify via car reg.
But it doesn‘t happen. 90% of hit-and-run drivers get away with it. Even my phone's predictive text can comprehend this.

It's only a matter of time before a cyclist are made to have at least thrid party insurance and number plates will follow soon.
You moving to North Korea, are you? You'll miss the Internet.

No such thing is coming to the UK. Even the pro-polluter government we've got at the moment understands that it's a stupid idea.

@DdraigGoch there's no point in trying to debate with the OP. She's determined she's right and won't listen to any counter arguments.

She drives a Range Rover despite living in a city. That explains a lot.

He thinks Cyclists are worthless, which says a great deal about the motives behind this bird brain idea, doubtless enjoys "Punishment passes" on his way to the garden centre....

He can give no costings for his plan, no figures on current "hit n runs" by cyclists, no plan on how children would be covered, nothing on how much Police time would be used on investigating claims against cyclists.

E.G this cyclist that allegedly hit his wing mirror, what camera would have recorded the impact? not the one in his car.... so we are down to an unsubstantiated claim... which the Police currently ignore or would he make the motorists word to be enough?? probably!

Oh God, is this thread still going on? Is OP injecting cyclists with microchips so they can be tracked yet?

They’ve fixed the typo in their username and started a thread about poor Kate and her poor photoshop skills.

Probably best to let them have the last word. Again.

@Redundantrobin she started a thread last week about how fantastic the budget was for "working people". She got her arsenal handed to her when it transpired that she meant high earners who - apparently - are the only people who work hard.

I think s/he is probably just a bored provocateur. They don’t seem to have much going on beyond the Range Rover what with the early retirement.

Perhaps they just need some human interaction, even if it is vitriolic.

You know motorways have cameras? And as cyclists aren't allowed on the motorway he can easily be caught.

BTW my research comes from watching many Police, Camera, Action type programs and those on traffic accidents over the years. Oddly there are very few episodes with cyclists in them. Mostly it is car drivers trying to do a bunk after causing an accident with a fatality.

TBF, it’s not that exciting to show police dashcam footage or CCTV footage of middle aged men in Lycra swearing at pedestrians and giving the finger to older drivers hesitating in their cars.

What you do you see quite a lot of is teens on bikes in video released by the police when they’re looking for stabbing suspects, shoplifting and street robbery.

Not that any of that has anything to do with policy towards licensing cyclists to use the road. I just thought your reference to blue light fly-on-the-wall series was a bit pointless.

Just as the OP's anecdata is pointless

Tbf there are programmes about angry cyclists

So all this palaver of licence plates, registration, insurance for cyclists and loads of bureaucracy, has come about because a wing mirror on a Range Rover once got a scuff? Aw bless OP, thoughts and prayers are with you at this difficult time