Even more cyclists now breaking the law

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Most drivers and pedestrians will be aware of this as many have seen or been victims of a cycle rider.

Watching Talktv this morning there was a lady who had lost her mother due to an e-scooter rider on the pavement. The show had a lawyer on talking about what I agree with, IE cyclists are very hard to identify if they get away from an accident.

E-scooters we all know are against the law unless provided for by your local council in central London. Several times over the years, me and the family have had close calls with them on pavements and parks as they zoom down, you cant hear them and they often dress in all black clothing.

Push bike riders are travelling faster and faster as many more have those battery packs on them

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph We are all aware how some push bike riders have ignored the rules for years, EG jump red lights, ignore pedestrians on crossings, cause accidents and walk of or rise off and now, much more able to break the speed limits off 20mph with almost 100% impunity and some that at red lights get o the pavement and cross a red light that way or some just ride on pavements

For the record, note, Its some cyclists not all but we have all seen them more so as going to work, or dropping off children at schools the speed of some of these riders

The Talktv debate also talked about those who kill people while riding a push bike/scooter, I think they said the maximum prison sentence was two years (I may be wrong) but the laws needed vast improvements.

This had been talked about a lot before but nothing happened.

AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket (This would in my judgment make many more riders more responsible for their actions and our roads/pavements safer for all)

The police need to be more proactive on e-scooter riders. However, as cyclists are almost impossible to identify, my proposal as above will aid the police and hopefully, modify the dangerous behaviours of those cyclists that are now regularly breaking the law, EG, travelling at more than the speed allowed, jumping red lights, putting pedestrians at risk on crossings and pavements.

I'm glad someone understood my pointless point. 😂

Switzerland used to have licence plates for bikes but got rid of them. They also had mandatory annual insurance stickers too and they were also discontinued. Because it wasn’t necessary or worth it. Cars continue to have license plates.

Look - the now defunct Velovignette

I think that one also slowed her down for two seconds once.

The day after she had to wait five seconds for a pensioner to cross the road.

Don't take my word for it,
See the link below from a very well know tv cerleberty

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1884319/gmb-richard-madeley-fume-nasty-crash-cyclist-gmb

Cyclist was stupid to be riding without lights, I don’t think anyone will refute that.

what’s your point?

Also, depending on what ‘anti glare’ glasses Dicky was wearing, he could be driving without due care - some are not recommended for driving at night.

Either way, this specific cyclist will hopefully learn the lesson and be less of a fool.

"Whats my point" Is that a rhetorical question as the point is in the thread, EG, if there was a number plate on cycle/rider, the victim could have easily reported the rider to cops and that is a fact.

If I note cyclists without lights and they could be easily identified, trust me, I and millions of others would report them and we'd have safer roads for all.

Well if Richard Madeley has spoken I take it all back.

The cyclist stopped and they had a conversation. Dicky stood in front of the person for at least a few minutes. They could be reported in the same way as any person committing a crime - description.

Even if they were reported, anyone who thinks London police are going to do anything about a cyclist not using lights, is clearly quite mad. They don’t even have the capacity to deal with car thefts or burglaries, drug gangs or assaults.

I know you’re sad about your scratched pedestrian killer, but really, this has been explained as infinitum.

So you have ignored the facts like most that disapprove of number plates for cyclists as per my OP. How very convenient for you.

No, you are ignoring the facts.

fact 1: the cyclist could have been reported like all other law breakers are, outside a car ie a description

fact 2: there is no money to enforce minor infractions of the law eg riding a bike with no lights

fact 3: bike licence schemes are impractical for the many, many reasons outlined on this thread

fact 4: if they were a good idea, more countries than the singular one would have them (North Korea, that bastion of great policies)

fact 5: you are shouting into a void because no-one is going to push for bike licence plates

Honestly can’t believe I bothered replying to you again. What a fool I am.

if the rider refused to give detials, is the pissing down with rain in the dark, what reg number, easily identifiable details would have the driver give to cops?

When I see these clowns without lights, what reg details do you want me to send to cops?

'AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket'

Yes, YABU. That's preposterous, do you also think pedestrians should be required to have insurance and wear helmets?

The government need to have less surveillance and input on people's personal lives, not more.

This whole cyclists vs cars feud crap has got to end. Live and let live.

No of course pedestrians shouldn't. But pedestrians aren't travelling at speed on the road where they have to observe the Highway Code.

All road users have to observe the Highway Code and should therefore be identifiable

North Korea type beat

Stop stirring crap in a cyclists - v - cars way.

Roads are for everyone. No-one wants to be bloody killed.

You're stoking shit OP.

Rubbish! It's NEVER as you stated it, ie X vs Y, fact! as soon as people are able to comprehend that, the better for all of us

It is all about increased safety and taking responsibility, hence the easily identifiable reg on the cycle riders in the hope that it will reduce 99% of the offences by cyclists, EG, no lights, no bell, riding on pavements where they are not supposed to, riding off having damaged other peoples property or worse still other people/kids etc

are the rogue, child-murdering, bloodthirsty, criminal syndicate of evil cyclists in the room with us right now?

As expected, no sensible reason why people should not take responsibility.

If i had a pound for every time I 'nearly' got hit by a car, I'd have enough money to buy a tesla. Its a non story. Stop pedalling crap op. Richard madely - bless him, is a twat, also stirring up shit.

As expected, no engagement with the logical, practical and moral inconsistencies.

Moral inconsistency - OP ignores the thousands of people killed and maimed by drivers every year and the millions of pounds of property damage caused by drivers every year but is frothing to the point of incoherence that a single percentage point of the damage caused by drivers might be caused by cyclists.

Logical inconsistency - OP is willing to spend orders of magnitude more than the cost of the damage done by cyclists to prevent it.

Practical inconsistency- OP has refused to answer any practical questions about how the scheme would be paid for or work, but proposes something which is not even working with full effectiveness for drivers, and for cyclists has been rejected as unworkable by all countries that have tried it other than North Korea, a dictatorship with absolute control of its citizens and which reports every state endeavour as a success regardless of what happened in reality.

Tell you what OP...prove me wrong. Resolve these inconsistencies.

Show us that drivers "take responsibility" - no ifs, no buts, no exceptions, every driver licensed, every motor vehicle registered and insured, every transgression investigated, caught and prosecuted.

Do that and maybe, just maybe, your suggestion to extend the same to cyclists will come across as a rational road safety strategy not the myopic ranting of someone so inured to the damage motor vehicles wreak that they are more incensed by a cyclist knocking their wing mirror than thousands of people being killed or seriously injured every year.

Because when every single licensed driver in a registered, insured vehicle who causes damage to people or property is caught, prosecuted and held fully to account, and when the total damage (human and property) caused by unlicensed drivers and unregistered or unisured vehicles is so under control that it is equal to or lower than that caused by cyclists, when that happens, I'll be more than happy to join your campaign.

The day that cyclists are the most dangerous thing on the road will be a happy day for all of us.

Until then, I'm afraid that if you want anyone to accept your proposal that the most highest priority for road safety is to make cyclists carry registration numbers, you'll have to sort out the bigger problems first.

So go on then - get cracking!

The abuse/etc you have posted at Richard, are you saying he is lying?

What is your serious worry about cyclists being easily identifiable via a form of registration as per my OP? Is it being caught when some break the law?

I ve given very good reasons why your idea won't happen - Cost and Effectiveness.

You have never acknowledged this, because you know i'm right and you are wrong.

Without camera footage, minor car driver error is ignored by the Police, in Madleys case, say he reported the cyclists reg plate (in your ideal world)

Cyclist denies it, says he had lights... what then? you seriously think the Police have the resources (and the state the money) to go after every reported driver or cyclist?

The numbers of cyclists involved in very serious road collisions where they are at fault is tiny & in the very rare ones they are the cause of, the police will trace them by more regular means.

So back to the drawing board and think up some more inane ideas.

I am seeing more and more motorcycles without number plates. Presumably the police do not have the resources to stop these bikers and no action is taken against them. The police will not be able to enforce number plates for bicycles or cyclists.

In Cambridgeshire, the police have seized an average of 5 uninsured cars a day over 2023 and this will be just the tip of the iceberg:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72444en2qpo

Uninsured bicycles would not be a priority for the police given the relative risks of uninsured cars versus uninsured bikes.

Oh dear, has the OP started another ill-informed diatribe?