Even more cyclists now breaking the law

[DistingusedSocialCommentator]

Most drivers and pedestrians will be aware of this as many have seen or been victims of a cycle rider.

Watching Talktv this morning there was a lady who had lost her mother due to an e-scooter rider on the pavement. The show had a lawyer on talking about what I agree with, IE cyclists are very hard to identify if they get away from an accident.

E-scooters we all know are against the law unless provided for by your local council in central London. Several times over the years, me and the family have had close calls with them on pavements and parks as they zoom down, you cant hear them and they often dress in all black clothing.

Push bike riders are travelling faster and faster as many more have those battery packs on them

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph We are all aware how some push bike riders have ignored the rules for years, EG jump red lights, ignore pedestrians on crossings, cause accidents and walk of or rise off and now, much more able to break the speed limits off 20mph with almost 100% impunity and some that at red lights get o the pavement and cross a red light that way or some just ride on pavements

For the record, note, Its some cyclists not all but we have all seen them more so as going to work, or dropping off children at schools the speed of some of these riders

The Talktv debate also talked about those who kill people while riding a push bike/scooter, I think they said the maximum prison sentence was two years (I may be wrong) but the laws needed vast improvements.

This had been talked about a lot before but nothing happened.

AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket (This would in my judgment make many more riders more responsible for their actions and our roads/pavements safer for all)

The police need to be more proactive on e-scooter riders. However, as cyclists are almost impossible to identify, my proposal as above will aid the police and hopefully, modify the dangerous behaviours of those cyclists that are now regularly breaking the law, EG, travelling at more than the speed allowed, jumping red lights, putting pedestrians at risk on crossings and pavements.

So, yet again, you come out with BS that has no basis in fact.... then demand others provide you with the evidence for your hare brained schemes.

I merely gave you the benefit of the doubt. You continually spout to others that they should do research, so when you made a claim that could be easily verified with two very easy to calculate numbers, I assumed you had done so.

Now that you clearly haven't, it fatally undermines every other point you've made in this thread.

The only "fatually undermining" is the fact that you have not said how you would or your mates identified a cyclists who knocked you over as you walked out of your front gate, stepped out of a highstreet shop and the rider rode into the sunset. So, what reg details would your mates give to the police in order to easily catch the culprit?

I'll let you have the last word

The same reg details as the driver who damaged my parked car in a hit and run with no consequence?

The same reg details as the 7 cars who ran a red lights during my brief commute on Thursday (I think, may be off by a day)?

The same reg details as the drivers who fly past me on the motorway when I'm doing 70 as per both my speedo and GPS?

So, what reg details would your mates give to the police in order to easily catch the culprit?

Still no evidence on costs to implement your scheme.... thought not.

We don’t need cyclists on a register we need safe spaces to cycle, like actual modern civilised countries have.

Just this really. Go on holiday to the Netherlands to see how they do it. No high vis, registrations or helmets (not sure I agree with the latter). They don’t get in the way of cars, mostly because cars are largely banned from town centres unless you physically live there. They complained when they started sorting the infrastructure in the 70s but everyone’s happy now.

Oh bless! Do you think the cost of the scheme is limited to the cost of a high vis?! That’s so sweet.

The cost of the licence plate scheme isn’t the printing of the plates, it’s the big bureaucratic enterprise around determining and assigning the unique numbers, policing who can make
licence plates, removing numbers from use (currently after a car is scrapped, but presumably for cyclists it’s when they stop cycling or die).

That’s the expensive bit.

So how are we paying for this? General taxation? Or individual taxation? If the latter, we’re going to have to offset the reduction in numbers of cyclists (inevitable with increased cost) against the cost of increased pollution & obesity on the NHS, so will we be getting that shortfall from general taxation or individually (charging people per pound of body weight + increasing VED)?

Coming home from an afternoon out yesterday, we were driving down the motorway from Rochdale to Manchester and there was a man cycling down the hard shoulder. He was on an E bike and merrily pedalling away, completely oblivious. There were signs warning everybody about him, didn't see the police anywhere so we assumed they were on their way. 😯

@mrswhiplington obviously that’s a total outlier. He’s not allowed there. Everyone knows that and of course the police will take action but he’s the one in greatest danger in this scenario. I can honestly say I’ve never seen this. But I did once see someone drinking out of a bottle of wine doing 70mph on the motorway. Posed far more of a danger to others and was going so fast I didn’t catch the number plate to report as we were going opposite direction. So there’s idiots in cars and on bikes.

A number plate would have as good as ensured this clown is caught.

These e-scooter riders are a bigger danger than my friends the cyclists. The all need number plate as per my OP and insurance

Does anyone know how many cyclle riders in the UK, or England?

Assuming same incident, stopped by Police, then attacked the Officer...

..far bigger issues going on there!!

Quite how a reg scheme would stop the mentally ill from cycling on a m/way is anyone's guess.

Still no idea on costs? no surprise as you don't even know how many cyclists it would effect.

Why don’t you Google how many @DistingusedSocialCommentator

My parents are having to repair their wing mirror. Nothing to do with cyclists, it was yobs. So are pedestrians going to be wearing number plates too?

So I'll try for the last time. How would you identify a dangerous clown on a cycle riding on the pavement who knocks over someone coming out of a shop when the rider as they do carry on?

About as well as you identify most hit-and-run drivers

A description followed up by looking at cctv. Same as finding a mugger who stole someone’s bag as they exited a shop.

Now, I’ll try one more time: are we paying for the ID tabards from general taxation or individual liability? If the latter, where are we getting the shortfall in the nhs budget that will be caused by more pollution and obesity (because of the reduction in cycling / increase in car use)? And the increased money needed to fix the roads with all the increased traffic?

Are we in favour of taxing people per pound of flesh? And similarly per pound of car and cm3 of pollutant expelled from the exhaust?

Because these are the things your wonderful system needs to take into account. You might see only the cost of a printed hi-vis, but the people who actually understand the bigger picture know that it’s going to cost society a lot more than that.

Thank you, at least. Yes, by their number plate.

So I'll try for the last time

Do you promise it’s the last time 😂

Isn't that like not having the last word… and repeatedly have the last word?

The one which will be too far away to read by the time that you've regained your coordination

You agreed, nevertheless, that is how you would be able to identify a cycle ride with a number plate. There is then also our mutual friend the CCTV on every corner along with vehicle and cyclists dash/video cams and residents cctv/Ring cams etc.

Thank you for acknowledging that a number plate on the bike or the hi-vis is a sensible way forward to identify hit-and-run riders and those that run red lights etc, etc.

No number plate, little chance of getting caught, hence the reason why some cycle riders break the law on an almost daily basis.

I knew you'd come around - below is a copy of you previous post I responded to

""DdraigGoch · Yesterday 22:13

About as well as you identify most hit-and-run drivers""

Why are you ignoring all the queries about how you are funding this, and the subsequent knock on effect fewer cyclists will have on the NHS / road infrastructure?

is it because you don’t know better then 192 countries worldwide?

I said that you'd be able to identify them about as well as you identify hit-and-run car drivers - the overwhelming majority of whom get clean away with it.

Stop backtracking and adding bits to your post

You clearly stated and this is the full post
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""DdraigGoch · Yesterday 22:13

About as well as you identify most hit-and-run drivers""

@DdraigGoch

Of which 90% remain unidentified

https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/hit-and-run-statistics

"Looking specifically at pedestrian injuries where the other vehicle failed to stop, in 2019 police recorded 71 instances where cycles failed to stop following a collision in which a person walking was injured, and 1,682 instances where other vehicles failed to stop following a collision in which a person walking was injured."

I assume OP's diligent research has already addressed this point?