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Even more cyclists now breaking the law

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DistingusedSocialCommentator · 20/02/2024 09:39

Most drivers and pedestrians will be aware of this as many have seen or been victims of a cycle rider.

Watching Talktv this morning there was a lady who had lost her mother due to an e-scooter rider on the pavement. The show had a lawyer on talking about what I agree with, IE cyclists are very hard to identify if they get away from an accident.

E-scooters we all know are against the law unless provided for by your local council in central London. Several times over the years, me and the family have had close calls with them on pavements and parks as they zoom down, you cant hear them and they often dress in all black clothing.

Push bike riders are travelling faster and faster as many more have those battery packs on them

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph We are all aware how some push bike riders have ignored the rules for years, EG jump red lights, ignore pedestrians on crossings, cause accidents and walk of or rise off and now, much more able to break the speed limits off 20mph with almost 100% impunity and some that at red lights get o the pavement and cross a red light that way or some just ride on pavements

For the record, note, Its some cyclists not all but we have all seen them more so as going to work, or dropping off children at schools the speed of some of these riders

The Talktv debate also talked about those who kill people while riding a push bike/scooter, I think they said the maximum prison sentence was two years (I may be wrong) but the laws needed vast improvements.

This had been talked about a lot before but nothing happened.

AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket (This would in my judgment make many more riders more responsible for their actions and our roads/pavements safer for all)

The police need to be more proactive on e-scooter riders. However, as cyclists are almost impossible to identify, my proposal as above will aid the police and hopefully, modify the dangerous behaviours of those cyclists that are now regularly breaking the law, EG, travelling at more than the speed allowed, jumping red lights, putting pedestrians at risk on crossings and pavements.

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DdraigGoch · 29/02/2024 11:10

Detective Chief Superintendent Andy Cox doesn't believe that cyclists get a free pass.
twitter.com/AndyCoxDCS/status/1294888934879698944

youwot · 29/02/2024 11:35

Are you aware OP that the majority of people on here have voted that YABU? You appear to place a lot of weight on polls so assuming that's that then.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 29/02/2024 12:45

youwot · 29/02/2024 11:35

Are you aware OP that the majority of people on here have voted that YABU? You appear to place a lot of weight on polls so assuming that's that then.

Are you aware friend the polls I posted links to from news papers that have millions of reads where thousands responded and an overwhelming majority about 75% voted in favour of riders being easily identifible ad have insurance?

There is also link fro an ex-police chief that supports this.

Feel free to have another goo

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Runssometimes · 29/02/2024 12:52

Only polls that go your way then, OP? Got it. Sounds legit.

Mittens55 · 29/02/2024 12:52

Maybe time to put this to bed now as neither party's opinions will be swayed. No amount of arguing, links to polls and articles, or photographs is going to change opinions here.

DdraigGoch · 29/02/2024 12:54

There is also link fro an ex-police chief that supports this.
I'm not aware that Hogan-Howe ever worked as a traffic officer. DCS Andy Cox on the other hand is the National Lead for Fatal Collision Investigation:

I am often left frustrated when I see comments about the police not enforcing cycling offences. For clarity, we do enforce cycling offences but do so proportionality compared to the risk posed. Cyclists should ride safely and sensibly; but the context is less than 0.25% of annual road deaths in the UK are consequence of a cyclist; we prioritise enforcement of greater risk.

Absolutely45 · 29/02/2024 12:57

Jesus! it's like arguing with a blancmange!

Matteo back pedalled a few days later and said he meant Scooters... this was pointed out to you several times......
Do you read any other posts but your own????

No genuine poster should behave like this.

DdraigGoch · 29/02/2024 13:00

He clarified that he's not on about bicycles:
“Number plates, indicators, helmet, insurance and speed limits are for scooters, not for bicycles.”

PrincessTeaSet · 29/02/2024 13:01

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 20/02/2024 09:39

Most drivers and pedestrians will be aware of this as many have seen or been victims of a cycle rider.

Watching Talktv this morning there was a lady who had lost her mother due to an e-scooter rider on the pavement. The show had a lawyer on talking about what I agree with, IE cyclists are very hard to identify if they get away from an accident.

E-scooters we all know are against the law unless provided for by your local council in central London. Several times over the years, me and the family have had close calls with them on pavements and parks as they zoom down, you cant hear them and they often dress in all black clothing.

Push bike riders are travelling faster and faster as many more have those battery packs on them

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph We are all aware how some push bike riders have ignored the rules for years, EG jump red lights, ignore pedestrians on crossings, cause accidents and walk of or rise off and now, much more able to break the speed limits off 20mph with almost 100% impunity and some that at red lights get o the pavement and cross a red light that way or some just ride on pavements

For the record, note, Its some cyclists not all but we have all seen them more so as going to work, or dropping off children at schools the speed of some of these riders

The Talktv debate also talked about those who kill people while riding a push bike/scooter, I think they said the maximum prison sentence was two years (I may be wrong) but the laws needed vast improvements.

This had been talked about a lot before but nothing happened.

AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket (This would in my judgment make many more riders more responsible for their actions and our roads/pavements safer for all)

The police need to be more proactive on e-scooter riders. However, as cyclists are almost impossible to identify, my proposal as above will aid the police and hopefully, modify the dangerous behaviours of those cyclists that are now regularly breaking the law, EG, travelling at more than the speed allowed, jumping red lights, putting pedestrians at risk on crossings and pavements.

Why do you think any of this would work? Hundreds killed each year by cars, about 4 by cyclists. There is no need for additional controls on cycling because cyclists are not a danger to others unlike car drivers. If you want to reduce pavement cycling etc you should be campaigning for better controls on car drivers so that cyclists are safe on the road.

DdraigGoch · 29/02/2024 13:02

Absolutely45 · 29/02/2024 12:57

Jesus! it's like arguing with a blancmange!

Matteo back pedalled a few days later and said he meant Scooters... this was pointed out to you several times......
Do you read any other posts but your own????

No genuine poster should behave like this.

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That's rather insulting the critical thinking skills of the blancmange!

PrincessTeaSet · 29/02/2024 13:08

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 29/02/2024 09:41

Humiliation tactics used by several here are just distraction techniques often used by people/groups to discredit those who have a great plan.

Not a single friend of yours here has come up with a credible reason why cyclists should not have a number plate on their bike/hi-vis along with mandatory insurance.

Those riding on pavements, jumping red lights on an almost daily basis and those riding straight through crossings as children and adults cross - how would you idnetify the rider as the law stands at the moment? Just in case you you don't understand the question, you already have the answer in the OP

The reason why they don't need to be identifiable is because they are not causing a significant danger to anyone else.

If cyclists were actually causing deaths you would have a point. As it is, if you genuinely care about road safety you should be focusing on reducing deaths from car drivers . Once these are at a lower level to deaths from cyclists it will be time to focus on cyclists

LaLoba · 29/02/2024 13:11

Can someone tell me how I hide/unfollow this thread so I don’t get any more notifications? The obsession of OP is uncomfortable to witness.

Runssometimes · 29/02/2024 13:37

@LaLoba if you go to Settings/more settings/notifications I think you can change it there.

LaLoba · 29/02/2024 13:39

Runssometimes · 29/02/2024 13:37

@LaLoba if you go to Settings/more settings/notifications I think you can change it there.

Thank you! Trying to be ill in peace and this godforsaken thread keeps pinging at me!

OooPourUsACupLove · 29/02/2024 15:02

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 29/02/2024 10:46

You said
"Their face, like any other crime?"

That is one of the most stupidest, most ridiculous and most ludicrous comments I've ever seen on any forum.

Even your mates here must be ROFL at you.

I agree. It's ridiculous we are still identifying pedestrians sen committing crimes or behaving dangerously by their face! How could that ever work??

Hi viz tabards with reg numbers for all pedestrians is the only sensible solution!

OooPourUsACupLove · 29/02/2024 16:05

LaLoba · 29/02/2024 13:11

Can someone tell me how I hide/unfollow this thread so I don’t get any more notifications? The obsession of OP is uncomfortable to witness.

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I think she's OK, she's the same on other threads so I think it's just her style.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 29/02/2024 17:00

The OP is on a lot of threads spouting nonsense about all sorts of things and getting irate with anyone who disagrees with her.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 29/02/2024 18:05

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph

I highly doubt that is the case as most commuter cyclists don't go that fast. They mainly do something between 10 and 15 at most.

But in any event the speed limits don't apply to pushbikes. Yes, I didn't believe it first either. But it is true.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 29/02/2024 18:07

The reason why they don't need to be identifiable is because they are not causing a significant danger to anyone else

Shush that's far too sensible.

Basically, some drivers don't think they should show any consideration to cyclists of pedestrians and therefore whine about helmets and insurance and changes to the Highway Code at side roads.

NoCloudsAllowed · 29/02/2024 20:55

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 28/02/2024 21:15

Papers are "impartial," because every poll I have posted a link to that has massive support of number plates/etc for bikes, are "impartiality. Right, ok, really, LMFAO.

I pray for the days the clowns that jump red lights on their push bikes in the full knowledge there is a zero percent chance of getting caught are banged to rights.

Sis you read the link I posted yesterday about the chappy video a Rage Rover driver using thier mobile and what happens?

Did you read the link I posted today from a retired police commissioner and their views on cycle riders and the need to identify them easily?

Did you read the links to the polls in the media that fully support numberplates/insurance for all adult riders?

You lot make me LOL as new matter what the facts are, you make up your own

I didn't read or watch any of that, it's culture wars clickbait without any sound methodology behind it.

Lonelycrab · 29/02/2024 21:05

it's culture wars clickbait

As is this entire thread and I genuinely don’t think the OP is posting in good faith. I suggest everyone ignores her/him now as it’s clearly a load of bollocks.

Let the op have the last word Wink

OooPourUsACupLove · 07/03/2024 09:08

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 27/02/2024 19:44

I have to agree that those cycle riders that go around videoing drivers breaking the rules, I'm with them 100%. I'd also love the chance as would millions of others to catch cyclists that get away scot-free when riding on pavements, riding through people on crossings and jumping red lights

I read this today - what do my buddies here think?

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/cyclist-faces-prosecution-after-reporting-driver-for-using-a-phone-behind-the-wheel/

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And like sunshine follows rain, another of the OP's examples is reversed

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dave-clifton-prosecution-cyclist-range-rover-met-police-apology-b1143446.html

I think that's every one now, yes?

Mirror reader preference for bicycle registration countered with Mirror reader preference for banning SUVs in built up areas - if OP wants to defer to the judgement of Mirror readers it's time to leave the Range Rover at hone.

Italian proposal shown to be for powered scooters not pushbikes

Ex police chief who had never been responsible for road safety countered by ex police chief who was lead of National Accident task force

And now that one cyclist police were going to prosecute for dangerous cycling gets an apology instead and his footage of the actually dangerous Range Rover driver will be used for police training.

It's almost like the OP is totally wrong!

Met Police apology after bid to prosecute 'dangerous' cyclist is abandoned

Cyclist Dave Clifton was accused of ‘posing a danger to other road users’ but he has now received an apology from the Met Police

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dave-clifton-prosecution-cyclist-range-rover-met-police-apology-b1143446.html

DdraigGoch · 07/03/2024 09:48

I'm still waiting to hear if the OP is in favour of 20mph limits in built-up areas. Surely if she really cared about pedestrians she'd back them.

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