Even more cyclists now breaking the law

[DistingusedSocialCommentator]

Most drivers and pedestrians will be aware of this as many have seen or been victims of a cycle rider.

Watching Talktv this morning there was a lady who had lost her mother due to an e-scooter rider on the pavement. The show had a lawyer on talking about what I agree with, IE cyclists are very hard to identify if they get away from an accident.

E-scooters we all know are against the law unless provided for by your local council in central London. Several times over the years, me and the family have had close calls with them on pavements and parks as they zoom down, you cant hear them and they often dress in all black clothing.

Push bike riders are travelling faster and faster as many more have those battery packs on them

With the introduction of 20mph zones in vast areas of London, even more, push bike riders are now breaking the law, EG travelling well over 20mph in a 20mph and passing slower cars travelling at 20mph We are all aware how some push bike riders have ignored the rules for years, EG jump red lights, ignore pedestrians on crossings, cause accidents and walk of or rise off and now, much more able to break the speed limits off 20mph with almost 100% impunity and some that at red lights get o the pavement and cross a red light that way or some just ride on pavements

For the record, note, Its some cyclists not all but we have all seen them more so as going to work, or dropping off children at schools the speed of some of these riders

The Talktv debate also talked about those who kill people while riding a push bike/scooter, I think they said the maximum prison sentence was two years (I may be wrong) but the laws needed vast improvements.

This had been talked about a lot before but nothing happened.

AIBU proposes that all cyclists have number plates/easily identifiable markings, all have insurance, all have a bell and lights, and all wear a helmet and hi-vis jacket (This would in my judgment make many more riders more responsible for their actions and our roads/pavements safer for all)

The police need to be more proactive on e-scooter riders. However, as cyclists are almost impossible to identify, my proposal as above will aid the police and hopefully, modify the dangerous behaviours of those cyclists that are now regularly breaking the law, EG, travelling at more than the speed allowed, jumping red lights, putting pedestrians at risk on crossings and pavements.

Cyclists are a minority group, you will always find thousands of people who hate them without ever having got on one.

You realise that Express polls are no more scientific than Mirror ones? The Express is a tabloid too and its readership isn't at all representative of society at large. Reputable pollsters include Ipsos Mori, Yougov, Opinium etc.

Of course polling the general public isn't generally a good guide to what is the right thing to do. 50% of the population have below median IQ remember. Let's stick with asking the experts.

Mind you, even Jeremy Clarkson thinks that penalising a driving licence for an offence committed on a vehicle that doesn't require a driving licence is "stupid".

the fact the government voted in b the majority of the votes
😂43.6% is not a majority of the votes

I'll let you have the last word
Is anyone keeping a count of how many different people have been granted the "last word"? It's a bit like a sofa retailer announcing their "biggest ever" sale.

This obsession with newspaper polls reminds me of:

Thanks for the laughs OP!

@DistingusedSocialCommentator

Oh dear! what will you do now?

Italy’s Deputy Prime Minister and Transport and Infrastructure Minister Matteo Salvini has backpedalled on introducing draconian laws for cyclists, insisting that rules he told the country’s parliament earlier this week, including requiring riders to wear a helmet, take out insurance and put number plates on their bikes were aimed solely at people riding scooters

Did someone with a bit more sense point out to Matteo the costs of setting up this live database?

Won't even happen to scooters unless they get classed as motorbikes.

The "polls remind" you of as being unacceptable just because they are not going your way, what a larf!

I bet you cant find a single poll in a newspaper from England where the polls does not favour those that want riders to have clearly visible ID's and or insurance and that is a fact and you know it.

https://road.cc/content/news/former-met-police-chief-call-cyclist-number-plates-305277

So the only Western country in the world that suggested number plates for bicycles has backtracked, leaving you rather red faced due to your lack of basic research.

An unelected Lord calls for number plates in London.....so what? esp when it comes from the man who started Operation Midland & who did nothing about racism in the Met.

Hahaha tell me you didn't understand the reference without telling me you didn't understand the reference 😂

Anyway, I'm on your side remember? I think your idea is so great and super practical and totally affordable and enforceable that we should extend
it to pedestrians too! After all, plenty of peds break the law and cause injury and damage, why should they get away scot free?

Clearly the only people who would object to that are irresponsible law breaking pedestrians. Hi Viz registration tabards for all!!!!

And you have me so convinced now that bikes are just as dangerous as cars that I'm offering you a great opportunity to demonstrate it! I'll jump in front of a recklessly ridden bicycle and you jump in front of a recklessly driven car...no wait, even better a recklessly driven lorry! What better way to prove your point that bicycles should be subject to to identical restrictions!

May I assume you are in?

You clearly won't listen to us so please read this from an expert on why these newspaper polls are bollocks:

Right. So you know the papers are not impartial, objective organisations, right? They have their own agendas and the majority are right wing. They commission polls not out of the goodness of their hearts and to benefit the public, but in order to get readers to engage and feel they are having a say, and to produce a few clickbaity headlines.

Papers (especially right wing ones with an older readership) know that the so-called 'war on motorists' is something that gets readers riled up. Irresponsible cyclists getting away with murder is another tune they like to play. They're getting you riled up beyond any proportionate level, for something that the facts show is definitely not the worst problem on the roads (biggest threat to pedestrians or any other road users).

If you want to understand this issue, why not read books or look up research from reputable sources like government, impartial industry bodies, academics etc - you're quoting the opinion of a load of keyboard warriors as if it had any authority. Yes, Dave from Dagenham belched, scratched his arse and said cyclists should be made to report to the town hall weekly - it doesn't mean anything.

Papers are "impartial," because every poll I have posted a link to that has massive support of number plates/etc for bikes, are "impartiality. Right, ok, really, LMFAO.

I pray for the days the clowns that jump red lights on their push bikes in the full knowledge there is a zero percent chance of getting caught are banged to rights.

Sis you read the link I posted yesterday about the chappy video a Rage Rover driver using thier mobile and what happens?

Did you read the link I posted today from a retired police commissioner and their views on cycle riders and the need to identify them easily?

Did you read the links to the polls in the media that fully support numberplates/insurance for all adult riders?

You lot make me LOL as new matter what the facts are, you make up your own

Still waiting for the OP ("I hate having to wait in my Range Rover for people to cross the road, but I'm also concerned that cyclists might hit them because they are all impatient lunatics" - I'm paraphrasing slightly) to tell us if she supports pedestrian safety measures such as 20mph limits.

So great to hear you put so much weight in newspapers! Here's the Mirror reporting on a poll where 55% agree with a ban on larger vehicles like 4x4s and SUVs from entering populated areas like towns and city centres. You'll agree no doubt?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/calls-ban-huge-suvs-built-30418187

And given how much you like to follow the example of other countries, isn;t it great that voters in Paris have voted to charge SUVs more for parking! Again I'm sure given how much you support polls and voting you'll be well behind this, right?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240204-parisians-called-to-vote-on-suv-parking-surcharge

There's popular support for banning the OP from driving in all populated areas? Excellent, I'm sure that she's just buying a bus season ticket now. We all know how she wants the Daily Mirror readership to decide the law.

You’re too funny OP.

Joggers definitely need numberplates hanging around their necks:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44639208

@DistingusedSocialCommentator

Hilarious OP.... so far you ve not presented a shred of evidence of the effectiveness of your proposals, the current extent of the "problem" or what your proposals would make on cycling participation/activity levels.

Nothing at all on the costs of running a DVLA style scheme or how you would police your scheme on children and bikeability type school programs.....

All ill thought out rubbish, which is why no democratic country has ever seriously considered it.

@DdraigGoch you're totally right. Joggers are dangerous and smug to boot, what with all that being healthy and improving themselves. But what about this hazard on our pavements?

“Mothers who take their children on the school run using push-along scooters could be contributing to a rise in accidents involving children, experts say.”

It’s in the Standard so will have been reported really accurately. They didn’t do a survey though so I’m sure the wise readership of the Standard would have a lot of advice for parents given their vast experience of the school run.

Curiously it’s only mothers that present this danger, so we should have them wear hi-vis tabards and pass some sort of licence application so they can adequately supervise minors.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/scooters-on-the-school-run-are-blamed-for-rise-in-child-injuries-8662981.html

Humiliation tactics used by several here are just distraction techniques often used by people/groups to discredit those who have a great plan.

Not a single friend of yours here has come up with a credible reason why cyclists should not have a number plate on their bike/hi-vis along with mandatory insurance.

Those riding on pavements, jumping red lights on an almost daily basis and those riding straight through crossings as children and adults cross - how would you idnetify the rider as the law stands at the moment? Just in case you you don't understand the question, you already have the answer in the OP

Sorry, i ve repeatedly said the cost of such a scheme, ie running an equivalent of the DVLA for the UKs 8m cyclists, is the main reason it cannot happen.

You, over 27 pages, have never acknowledged this nor come up with your own monetary figures.

Yours isn't a "Great Plan" its an idiotic plan.

You don’t have a great plan OP you have a costly, stupid ‘plan’ that won’t work, will cost loads and will stop people cycling and therefor increase congestion and pollution.

Several people have pointed this out to you. No democracy has adopted this great plan, because it’s unworkable and ineffective.

Because so many people on here, not my friends, I don’t know them, have said this and provided evidence and facts, as have I, to refute your illl conceived assertions, I’ve concluded you must be having a laugh.

Even the most intransigent person when given ample evidence or alternative considerations would at least debate or acknowledge good points. You just double down and resort to hyperbole.

You can identify people on CCTV much as you identify people who mug, steal cars etc. As has been pointed out several times before. Stop asking the same questions OP over and over. It’s been answered.

Can you tell me how many cyclists actually break red lights daily? Nope you can’t actually. How many cyclists actually ride on pavements daily? Can you tell me how many drivers break red lights? How many pedestrians are killed by cyclists on pavements? Compare it to how many by motor vehicles? Which is the larger risk? Which group is currently required by law to have insurance, licence and registration? Why might that be?

I’m not humiliating you at all. I’m making fun of your blatant refusal to engage with perfectly reasoned arguments and statistics that have been provided. And of your adherence to opinion pieces as somehow evidential corroboration of your narrative.

Here’s a very useful FAQ about cycling, quite old now, but probably still accurate which is worth reading. It’s got links to the studies/research too, mostly university studies or government commissioned studies.

https://www.cyclinguk.org/commoncyclingquestions

"Those riding on pavements, jumping red lights on an almost daily basis and those riding straight through crossings as children and adults cross - how would you identify the rider as the law stands at the moment?"

Their face, like any other crime?

How would this play out in your mind if they had a registration number?

You spot a cyclist go across a zebra whilst a pedestrian is crossing.
You note their registration number and go onto a portal to report the crime.
When you come to section where you provide evidence, you have none because you don't have a dash cam.
The end.

You said
"Their face, like any other crime?"

That is one of the most stupidest, most ridiculous and most ludicrous comments I've ever seen on any forum.

Even your mates here must be ROFL at you.

"Stupid plan" - Stuip indeed to those that fear having and easily readable number on their bike/hi-vis and then insurance. We all know why that is.

I'll ask you for the last time and yes your previous post was a feeble attempt to discredit/humiliate my plan/me. Not to worry, I and millions of others support my paln to get riders to have reg numbers and insurance

Not you, nor your mates have come up with the answer about how would you and your mates report a law-breaking cycle rider that runs red lights - last chance.

I'll give you a free tip as I'm nice like that. Drivers of vehicles jumping red lights get caught out by their number plates - ok!

The polls in many papers inc a ex chief commissioner of police support numbers for riders and insurance - lets go for it!!

@DistingusedSocialCommentator ask me what? Was there a question in there?