Roundabout collision - who is at fault? With diagram

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Involved in a collision today at a roundabout.

Both lanes go straight on. The left lane leads to a left turn only shortly afterwards hence lots of people use the right lane to go straight, road markings are clear both lanes permit going straight.

Left hand exit is a car park for a local park marked in green ‘park’.

Red car travels in the right lane to go straight on, indicates left and starts to pull off.

Blue car comes from the park and intends to turn straight or right, into the path of red car.

Red car brakes but cannot stop in time and blue car is damaged on the drivers side, red car on the passengers corner side.

Who is at fault?

You give way to anything coming around the roundabout no matter what lane they are in
Blue car should have waited rather than assumed. Classic case of someone cutting someone up

Can we have the street view of the park junction onto the roundabout ?

I think the blue car is at fault, unless they also have the 2 lane set up on joining the roundabout.

If it is only single lane, as they were in the outside lane of the roundabout they should have exited on the first exit, as they were signalling to do.
If they wanted to pass the first exit, they should have joined the roundabout in the next lane over. They then wouldn't have crossed paths with the red car.

The exit for the park is pretty much on the roundabout, you can either turn left or go round the round about when leaving the park.

The roundabout has 2 lanes that go towards the town, but the left lane quickly turns into a left only lane and the other lane goes into the town centre. People use the right lane to go across the roundabout due to the left lane turning into a left turn lane.

Op was on the roundabout and if going round it she would have had right indicator on, she didn’t have any indicators on as she was going straight across it, blue car is in the wrong as you give way to traffic on your right at a roundabout but they pulled out

You should indicate left to exit a roundabout if you are exiting (as I was) once you are past the last exit (eg the one for the park) otherwise joining traffic can’t move onto the roundabout?

Also if going straight over in the right hand lane you should stay in that one once you’re across the roundabout otherwise you’re cutting people up!

I can't imagine what traffic would be like if everyone in an inside lane on roundabouts kept driving round and round on the offchance that none of the drivers in the left hand lane indicating left actually mean it.

When already on a roundabout, driver should always be observing their offside, and be prepared to give way to a vehicle on that side, precisely because everyone is at least partly blind to their nearside. Damage pattern shows only blue car had the power to prevent the accident. So if red car was correctly indicating, and not speeding, blue car is at fault.

It's a small roundabout, so it sounds like the blue car didn't look right before pulling out.

I passed my driving test in 2008 so maybe later than some people on the thread but was always taught you don’t enter a roundabout at all unless it’s clear, regardless of which lane people are in.

Scrubbed original post as I misunderstood what I was replying to. Sorry!

Also, if the roundabout is two-laned (the diagram suggests it is), then the blue car seems to have been in the wrong lane for going straight on - it was positioned to turn left at the first turning, even if it was not indicating that it was intending to take that turning, and would unavoidably have blocked the exit for traffic it should have given way to?

Unless the red car was speeding really excessively (and a police check of their computer will clarify and will be part of the insurance claim process), then the red car would have been visible at the right hand junction as blue car prepared to pull out.

If blue car genuinely did not see them and they were going so fast that they both approached the roundabout, travelled half way around it and got to the turning at the same time as the blue car, then red car should insist that blue car’s computer be inspected.

From what you’ve described it’s obviously blue is it not? They weren’t on the roundabout and joined it so caused the crash.

Exactly!

Red car didn't change lanes or cross a lane so entirely blue cars fault.

(Is anyone else now sitting singing the song from the Milky Way advert?)

Well, yes. They needed lane two so should really have waited for red car to go past before emerging. But they were confused.

You are correct

Blue car saw red car indicating left, indicated left itself, blue car drove onto the roundabout then driver suddenly changed their mind and tried to go straight ahead, in front of red car. First duty of the blue car is to give way to traffic from the right and traffic already on the roundabout. How could the red car be at fault?

photo of car park where blue car was coming out of

Yes. It has always been that way. You don't enter a roundabout unless you have enough space and time to be safe. And you do note how people are indicating, but you don't act upon it. So if the car approaching is indicating left, you don't assume they will actually turn left. You wait until you see them start to exit the roundabout.

That particular roundabout was too small for her to think she had enough space and time to enter ahead of you without causing you to brake. And if she did happen to see you, she should not have assumed you were exiting before her. She should have waited until she saw you turn off. In every scenario, she was in the wrong.

Blue car at fault. Glad you and baby are ok.

Blue's lane was clear as he joined the RA. Red drives into blue from behind
after going too fast (unable to stop). The blame is on red.

Eh?

I'd say 50/50. Red car was in the wrong lane, they were going straight so should have been in the left lane. The right lane is for turning right unless the road markings say otherwise. Blue car should have given priority to the Red car.

Now I've seen that the right lane does allow going straight on I'll change that to Blue car at fault.

The right lane entering the roundabout is for 3rd/4th exits off the roundabout.
The left lane entering the roundabout is for 1st/2nd exits off it unless signs say otherwise.

blue car is at fault but it will go 50/50. Insurance companies always seem to go 50/50 when there is even a slight possibility it could be these days.

The road markings in this case say you can use the right lane if you’re going straight on - it’s in one of OP’s previous posts. So she was in the correct lane.

You can use both lanes to go around the roundabout there are road markings showing this