Roundabout collision - who is at fault? With diagram

[Notcheekyvimto]

Involved in a collision today at a roundabout.

Both lanes go straight on. The left lane leads to a left turn only shortly afterwards hence lots of people use the right lane to go straight, road markings are clear both lanes permit going straight.

Left hand exit is a car park for a local park marked in green ‘park’.

Red car travels in the right lane to go straight on, indicates left and starts to pull off.

Blue car comes from the park and intends to turn straight or right, into the path of red car.

Red car brakes but cannot stop in time and blue car is damaged on the drivers side, red car on the passengers corner side.

Who is at fault?

They still had their left indicator on when I collided with them!

In all fairness though, how could the red car see the blue was indicating left when they are approaching it on the right? I can't see the indicators on the side of the car that isn't visible to me

@hobbi I was already on the roundabout when red car joined at high speed. Anyway, this isn't my thread.

They still had the indicator on when we stopped after colliding

The other lane isn't a safer option if 1) red needs to be in the right hand lane after the roundabout and 2) if, as explained, there are further restrictions ahead in the left lane. What makes you thing using the left lane is safest?

Because shortly after the roundabout the left lane becomes a left turn only lane and I wanted to keep going straight, I always use the right lane for this reason to avoid making two manoeuvres, so do lots of other cars that know the road well. Otherwise you need to quickly change back to the right lane which can be difficult if the road is busy

But you wouldn't have been aware of what their indicator showed until after you collided? The indicator of the blue car is a complete non issue and wouldn't have affected your driving/decision making whether it was on or not

I assumed that was the reason - that is why I challenged you saying it was an identical situation. Red explained she wasn't speeding.

so do lots of other cars that know the road well.

But the blue driver said she didn't know the road well and didn't know that the road allowed the right lane for straight ahead. They followed the rules of the Highway Code and It was just a genuine accident, neither at fault imo, so likely to be 50/50.

Fully agree with this.
Hope you're ok OP.

50/50. Red care indicated left, so blue car thought red was turning into park. But blue car has joined the road when it wasn't safe to do.

From your diagram it looks like the red car cut across the nose of the blue car. My suspicion would be 50/50 unless there was dash cam footage/witnesses.

I didn’t indicate left until after passing the park exit and anyway would have been in wrong lane to do so

Blue car is at fault. They probably panicked when they realised they needed to be in the right-hand lane and swung across without checking first.

Looks like Wakefield, the other car is in the wrong

That might have been the case if the blue car was turning left. They weren’t, so should have waited for the red car to go past (or the red car could never have got off the roundabout as the blue car would have cut them up!)

Blue

I would love to hear blue cars version of events.

Timing of indicators also plays a role.

I don't think it's as simple as blue car is full to blame. Yes, they are a large contributor but red car should have been able to avoid it.

I think insurance will hold you partially liable too.

Blue cars fault as it entered the roundabout and collided with a car already on it.
However @Notcheekyvimto, my question is why was the red car indicating at all as it was going straight on?

Red car was showing a misleading signal.

I can understand why the blue car expected the red car to have turned into the park as the red car was indicating left whilst on the roundabout.
Suspect this will end up as 50:50.

The road markings don’t help, if you see a car in the right lane you would think (if not knowing the road) that the driver is going right, wouldn’t you normally start to move over to the left lane when taking the turning? It looks like 2 cars can turn into that road too, which side were you going onto?

Pretty sure if it’s on a roundabout, both vehicles will be classed as at fault for the accident.

You were also indicating left and proceeding straight.

Blue car is at fault as they didn’t let red car leave the roundabout. They also seemed in wrong lane. I would say though that the red car should have seen the blue on if they had looked properly but that’s an accident isn’t it no one does it on purpose. Hope no one was injured.

Concur with others. Blue car should have given way to the red car (give way to right at a roundabout per HWC, section 185).

Did the blue car pull out after the red car passed its exit? Id say the red car was at fault as it tried to exit when another car was on its inside