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Roundabout collision - who is at fault? With diagram

368 replies

Notcheekyvimto · 18/02/2024 11:59

Involved in a collision today at a roundabout.

Both lanes go straight on. The left lane leads to a left turn only shortly afterwards hence lots of people use the right lane to go straight, road markings are clear both lanes permit going straight.

Left hand exit is a car park for a local park marked in green ‘park’.

Red car travels in the right lane to go straight on, indicates left and starts to pull off.

Blue car comes from the park and intends to turn straight or right, into the path of red car.

Red car brakes but cannot stop in time and blue car is damaged on the drivers side, red car on the passengers corner side.

Who is at fault?

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BeautifulViews · 18/02/2024 15:06

ZebraPensAreLife · 18/02/2024 15:03

The road markings in this case say you can use the right lane if you’re going straight on - it’s in one of OP’s previous posts. So she was in the correct lane.

Should have read all OP's posts before replying. I was just editing my post as you wrote this!

RandomPoster456 · 18/02/2024 15:06

BeautifulViews · 18/02/2024 15:02

I'd say 50/50. Red car was in the wrong lane, they were going straight so should have been in the left lane. The right lane is for turning right unless the road markings say otherwise. Blue car should have given priority to the Red car.

Now I've seen that the right lane does allow going straight on I'll change that to Blue car at fault.

Edited

This. I have always been taught that left lane is for going left or straight on up to 2nd exit and right is for 3rd and beyond. OP, if you were going straight on you should have been in the left lane but blue car should have given you priority. So you could be equally responsible so be prepared for this.

ValenciaOrange · 18/02/2024 15:06

Blue car to blame as they shouldn't have even entered the roundabout until the red car had passed them. When I learnt to drive I was taught you never enter the roundabout if the is something in your 3-6 area ( imagining roundabout as a clock face ).
And also to pay attention to road marking. Not all roundabouts use left for straight over and left , so you need to look at the markings, as straight over may be the right lane. Or like this roundabout both lanes can be straight over.
I hope you are okay OP this must have shaken you up.

Sausageplusmash · 18/02/2024 15:07

Ethylred · 18/02/2024 15:00

Blue's lane was clear as he joined the RA. Red drives into blue from behind
after going too fast (unable to stop). The blame is on red.

No no. You give way to anything on the roundabout no matter what lane they are in

Station11 · 18/02/2024 15:07

Definitely blue.

BeautifulViews · 18/02/2024 15:08

RandomPoster456 · 18/02/2024 15:06

This. I have always been taught that left lane is for going left or straight on up to 2nd exit and right is for 3rd and beyond. OP, if you were going straight on you should have been in the left lane but blue car should have given you priority. So you could be equally responsible so be prepared for this.

We're right, but also wrong in this case. The road layout/signage does allow straight on from the right lane. Edited mine to add that now.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 18/02/2024 15:11

Ethylred · 18/02/2024 15:00

Blue's lane was clear as he joined the RA. Red drives into blue from behind
after going too fast (unable to stop). The blame is on red.

Blue entered a clear lane then changed lanes without checking his offside.

Jetstream · 18/02/2024 15:11

ffsgiveitarest · 18/02/2024 15:05

You can use both lanes to go around the roundabout there are road markings showing this

I meant to say what you said.

Debtfreegoals · 18/02/2024 15:11

I would say blue car at fault. If red car was already on roundabout and was in the inside lane and all marking show they can go straight ahead - then the blue at fault 100%

YireosDodeAver · 18/02/2024 15:11

Blue car is more at fault but insurers will settle at 50:50.
Don't put any more emotional energy into it though. Insurers sorting out the stress is why we pay them.

napody · 18/02/2024 15:11

SomethingUniqueThisTime · 18/02/2024 12:56

Blue car was in the wrong, however red car was ‘at fault’ because they hit the blue car. It will go 50/50 on the insurance claim.

But if this were true it would mean cars pulling out of side roads immediately into the path of a car on the main road wouldn't be at fault? It'd be the one driving along the main road?

Unfortunately I think insurance companies might class it as 50:50 but honestly it's through their laziness/taking the 'easy option'. OP was both in the right and not at fault.

Debtfreegoals · 18/02/2024 15:12

Also you give way to cars already on the roundabout, I’d never pull out even if the red car was indicating right.

amusedbush · 18/02/2024 15:15

L0bstersLass · 18/02/2024 14:31

Blue cars fault as it entered the roundabout and collided with a car already on it.
However @Notcheekyvimto, my question is why was the red car indicating at all as it was going straight on?

Red car was showing a misleading signal.

I can understand why the blue car expected the red car to have turned into the park as the red car was indicating left whilst on the roundabout.
Suspect this will end up as 50:50.

...because you're supposed to indicate left whenever you exit a roundabout? If you're going straight on, you don't indicate as you enter but you indicate left after you pass the exit before yours.

One of my pet peeves is people not signalling correctly when entering and exiting roundabouts and clearly you are one of those people 😬

Jetstream · 18/02/2024 15:16

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/roundabouts.html

Topofthemountain · 18/02/2024 15:17

This thread shows exactly why you have to presume every other driver is stupid.

(I am no angel, I too have been the stupid driver)

NotTerfNorCis · 18/02/2024 15:17

As a newbie driver, I think red car's signal would have been confusing, and would probably have got a fault on a driving test if it had forced blue car to stop suddenly with a misleading signal (eg implying they were going to turn before they did).

Crazydoglady1980 · 18/02/2024 15:28

Red car is at fault as they crossed lanes when the lane wasn’t clear. It doesn’t matter that the blue car was indicating as this wasn’t seen at the time of the crash. The blue car could have been going straight on and was in the correct lane to do this

pontipinemum · 18/02/2024 15:30

Glad you and baby are OK, you must have had a fright.

Also, yes looks like blue car was wrong. They should only have entered the round about if they were turning left

amusedbush · 18/02/2024 15:31

NotTerfNorCis · 18/02/2024 15:17

As a newbie driver, I think red car's signal would have been confusing, and would probably have got a fault on a driving test if it had forced blue car to stop suddenly with a misleading signal (eg implying they were going to turn before they did).

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/roundabouts.html

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise:

  • select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
  • you should not normally need to signal on approach
  • stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
  • signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

There was nothing misleading about OP's signal. She joined the roundabout and then (correctly) signalled left after she passed the exit to the park. The blue car drove into her path instead of waiting until it was clear to move.

EsmeSusanOgg · 18/02/2024 15:31

Blue car. The car already on the roundabout has priority.

KTheGrey · 18/02/2024 15:32

Blue car but insurers usually go 50/50 on roundabouts.

Didoreththeterf · 18/02/2024 15:33

I was once the red car in a very similar accident.
The insurance went 50:50.
But the other driver lied about what happened, so I assume he thought he was in the wrong. He was also going too fast, and trying to undertake me on the roundabout.

Topofthemountain · 18/02/2024 15:33

Crazydoglady1980 · 18/02/2024 15:28

Red car is at fault as they crossed lanes when the lane wasn’t clear. It doesn’t matter that the blue car was indicating as this wasn’t seen at the time of the crash. The blue car could have been going straight on and was in the correct lane to do this

Edited

The blue car pulled out onto the roundabout when it wasn't clear. The red car was also in the correct lane.

DistingusedSocialCommentator · 18/02/2024 15:33

OP
Did you indicate as you left the roudabout?

Topofthemountain · 18/02/2024 15:35

And even if the blue car was intending to turn left, and knew both lanes were straight on, they shouldn't really have pulled out.