Roundabout collision - who is at fault? With diagram

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Involved in a collision today at a roundabout.

Both lanes go straight on. The left lane leads to a left turn only shortly afterwards hence lots of people use the right lane to go straight, road markings are clear both lanes permit going straight.

Left hand exit is a car park for a local park marked in green ‘park’.

Red car travels in the right lane to go straight on, indicates left and starts to pull off.

Blue car comes from the park and intends to turn straight or right, into the path of red car.

Red car brakes but cannot stop in time and blue car is damaged on the drivers side, red car on the passengers corner side.

Who is at fault?

Just read your update re blue car indicating left. ie indicating to turn off. So definitely blue car at fault.
Hope you have a camera on your car OP

OP may not have moved lanes - there are a lot of roundabouts where the exit has more than one lane

I’ve changed it to move to exit rather than move lanes.

Yes but the blue car, coming from a different direction, may not have been aware of that which is why they pulled out without realising the red car was going straight ahead. That's why I said it's likely a 50/50, neither is particularly at fault (red car is in the right for following road markings but blue is right for following the Highway Code).

Yes I drive and have had my license for over 20years and never had an accident, not sure what that has got to do with anything though

You were not in the wrong, the blue car manoeuvred badly around the roundabout as well as indicating incorrectly.
However one of the key skills to learn when driving is to presume nothing about other road users - everyday when driving you will experience people doing incorrect, unsafe and unexpected things. Safe drivers learn to drive defensively and not presume other road users will adhere to the rules.
I don’t wish to sound pompous (I know I do!) but that is one of the reasons older drivers have lower car insurance premiums we have learned to avoid other idiotic road users!
I hope you and your baby are OK, it must have been a dreadful experience.

If it helps the woman in the blue car was much older than me 😂 I’m 38 as it is. But thanks for the advice

Had an identical bump a few years ago. I was blue car and red bombed across roundabout and took us out. Red car tried to claim entire fault was with me. Both police and insurance said roundabout collisions are usually 50/50 unless witnesses/footage to show otherwise.

If blue was indicating then entirely at fault, as red car checking would understand this to mean their way was clear to exit.

Probably worth you double checking there are no road markings or signs on the little side road, as it would obviously help your case if it’s labelled as left lane for left turns only.

For me photos makes it very clear it’s blue cars fault. Hope you and bump are ok OP

In a roundabout you give way to traffic coming from the right. Doesn't matter what it's doing. That's why roundabouts work. Red was on the roundabout blue should have waited for red to pass before pulling out. Blue is at fault

If you were blue car, you should have given way to the right.

Blue car’s fault. Blue indicated incorrectly, didn’t give way to Red car (priority to the right) and once it realised it wasn’t supposed to be going left, it should have either exited left anyway and found somewhere safe to turn and return to the roundabout, or signalled right to move into Red car’s lane if/when it was safe to do so.

Ha! There is certainly no age limit on stupid driving!
One of my personal bugbears is bad lane positioning on roundabouts, there is one near where I live where many drivers stick in the left hand land to use the 4th exit on a 5 exit roundabout.
The other issue I see really often is people indicating incorrectly or not at all.

This is what I would say. Blue car is at fault, as it was in the wrong lane for where it intended to go. Red car was in the right lane for where it was heading.

Blue however did red change lane from right to left whilst on the roundabout?

This is Wakefield isn’t it? Near Thornes Park. The blue car is at fault but it may go 50/50 annoyingly!

Red car only has priority if the left exit road has two lanes, if the left exit road is single lane then the red car should've been in the left lane when entering the roundabout. The diagram is somewhat confusing as it doesn't show the exits from the roundabout and their relation to the 12 o'clock rule, or how many lanes the roundabout exit roads have.

has the straight ahead junction got 2 lanes and is there a right hand turning on the roundabout?

I believe that red car should have moved across to the outside lane on the roundabout after the left hand turning, to take the lane that the blue car was in, which would have prevented him being at the side of you - he would have been behind you

If he was already on the roundabout then I think you've pulled across him as at that point you are in the lane for continuing round the roundabout - I dont believe you should ever need to cross a lane to exit

Oh, I missed that blue was indicating. that changes things slightly. Blue should have turned left, not carried straight on

The picture clearly shows a straight on or right arrow on the offside lane.

The street view image clearly shows that moving left to go straight on would have been a terrible manoeuvre. Red is in the correct lane and, even more importantly, on blues's right, giving her priority regardless.

I think blue car was at fault, they shouldn’t have entered the roundabout at all when you were coming across it, even if they were intending to turn left. People could have come round from the other side of the roundabout and changed into the left lane when coming off after the park entrance, blue shouldn’t have entered until it was clear.

I am confused though about how you could see them indictating left, based on your positions on the road? It’s irrelevant to the situation, you were not at fault.

I was always taught that you pay attention to the road markings and the roadside signage

Blue car at fault mainly but don't understand why red chose the lane they did (acknowledge the arrows but surely using the other lane is always a safer choice).

Also how did red not see blue before their maneuver?

Several opportunities on both sides to have avoided this.