Roundabout collision - who is at fault? With diagram

[Notcheekyvimto]

Involved in a collision today at a roundabout.

Both lanes go straight on. The left lane leads to a left turn only shortly afterwards hence lots of people use the right lane to go straight, road markings are clear both lanes permit going straight.

Left hand exit is a car park for a local park marked in green ‘park’.

Red car travels in the right lane to go straight on, indicates left and starts to pull off.

Blue car comes from the park and intends to turn straight or right, into the path of red car.

Red car brakes but cannot stop in time and blue car is damaged on the drivers side, red car on the passengers corner side.

Who is at fault?

Why are people going on about changing lanes? Red car was in lane 2 of 2 to exit on lane 2 of 2, blue car was in lane 1 of 2 presumably to go straight on.

50/50 - the red car should’ve checked before changing lanes to come off the roundabout. It’s easy to presume everyone is going to follow the rules, but checking properly before trying to exit the roundabout would’ve prevented the accident - even though the other car appears to be the one behaving unpredictably and not following the rules. Shit and unfair as that can seem…

There are a lot of presumptions without dashcam footage though - including the speeds of those involved. E.g. if the blue car pulled onto the roundabout before the red car and was taken out by a speeding red car, that would completely change the moral culpability.

The red car was already on the roundabout so the blue car should have given way.

As the red car was in the right hand lane to go straight on (perfectly OK) then the blue car could have pulled out but ONLY if they were turning left and the left lane was also clear (e.g. no need to cross the path of the red car).

Report to insurance and make it clear you were already on the roundabout and the blue car pulled out into your lane.

Added a street view pic, it’s quite zoomed
in so as to not totally give myself away.

Red car takes the yellow path and blue car the purple path.

You can see both lanes permit straight on, as I said further up the road the left lane has a left turn only so lots of traffic takes the right
lane in anticipation of this.

In terms of observing before pulling off
the roundabout - I obviously did so as I braked hard and avoided significant damage but the blue car was indicating left and seemed quite oblivious as they then proceeded straight!

It doesn’t change the fact they shouldn’t have been there, cyclist or not

Hope you are ok OP, point is you should have given way to car coming from right, you entered a roundabout that wasn't clear.

@jeaux90 I was the red car not the blue one

You need to re read the OP's posts.

Put your readers on and try again - OP is the red car!

Blue car definitely at fault looking at the street view - but suspect insurers will go for 50/50

I still think 50/50

Two lanes to go straight on. The OP was in lane 2 and remained in lane 2 so were 100% correct.

The blue car should have given way as the red car was already on the roundabout.

Blue car 100% at fault.

I think street view makes it blue cars fault.

I would include that photo not your drawing when claiming. And say you were on the roundabout and a car pulled out and drove into you.

Edited to be clearer, photo changed my mind.

Leaving a roundabout is changing lanes - it’s not that the OP is moving from the left lane to the right lane, it’s that the manoeuvre of leaving a roundabout involves crossing over the other lane.

There is nothing wrong with remaining in the right hand lane, but you still have to check before exiting the roundabout.

@Notcheekyvimto are you home yet?

you were in the right. Blue car shouldn't have entered the roundabout when you were already on it.

Next time, carry on around the roundabout, take the next best option & swear a lot about incompetent fucking drivers!

insurance will, unfortunately, probably go 50:50.

but as long as you & baby are ok, try to let it go.

If it had been a cyclist, it’s entirely likely that the cyclist could have been there legitimately due to the different speeds involved. The PP makes a valid point.

Problem is it is a built up area. You shouldn't really be coming into that roundabout at speed. If that were me I would be thinking what if that car that has just pulled out goes straight on rather than left. The position that you hit the car in (your front impacting their side) indicates you had the ability to see a situation develop but you didn't do anything about it. Unless you've got cameras there will be no evidence as to who was indicating and the relative road positions of the cars, only the point of impact. That is why IMO it will end up being a 50/50.

Sorry you're having to deal with this during pregnancy. Do you have any witnesses who stopped to help, or a dash cam? Did you spot if they had a dash cam (blue car)?

The post implied the OP had gone from lane 2 to lane 1 to exit, hitting the car in lane 1.

From what the OP wrote, they did check, the exit wasn't clear, they braked hard but there wasn't enough space to stop. This was because the blue car entered the roundabout when it wasn't clear or safe to do so.

So still 100% the blue cars fault as the red car had no where to go.

Blue at fault.

I took the OP to mean they indicated left as their exit approached, which is precisely what they're meant to do. Are you thinking they indicated left as they joined the roundabout, so that the blue car expected them to go into the car park?

I’m home now, baby seems fine after monitoring but just need to be alert for bleeding or reduced movement. I’m so glad I watched videos on putting your seatbelt under your bump as I braked hard when I saw the car coming across my exit and the seatbelt obviously pulled tight!

No, you’re misinterpreting the post - there was no such implication, that is solely your inference. I wrote it, so I know what I was implying.

If the OP checked before crossing the other lane to exit the roundabout, and could no stop or avoid the collision, then the OP was travelling too fast, or failed to check in good time.

I think it's entirely blue's fault. Can't see what the OP has done wrong in this situation.

Hope you're ok.