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To not pick up dog poo...

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Moonfishstar · 13/02/2024 05:54

... when in a quiet forest, but to flick it with a stick into dense undergrowth instead?

I don't see any issue with this, but I've got a feeling lots will disagree with me, so I wanted to get some other opinions.

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Flickersy · 13/02/2024 11:39

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:36

@Flickersy

But it’s NOT good for ecosystems, it disrupts the balance by adding unnatural pathogens and too high a nutrient content. Also if the dog has been on medication - that is also unnaturally introduced into the ecosystem.

If you do it, that means it’s ok for ALL dogs to do it.

Sorry I think you've quoted the wrong person, I didn't suggest it was good for the ecosystem or good for anything in fact.

RaisingTheDead · 13/02/2024 11:39

Flickersy · 13/02/2024 11:36

99.9% of which is human-generated from our water companies pumping human sewage into seas and rivers, chemical run off from agriculture, and our plastic rubbish.

Worrying about dog poo polluting the water in that context is like being worried your tap is leaking when your house has already been inundated by the river.

But whilst you can fight and campaign against companies and farmers about that, your hands largely are tied. You CAN very easily pick up dog shit and not let it get out of control.

It’s like the saying ‘It’s just one bottle’ said 1 million people. Just pick up the dog muck and reduce any issue, it’s not hard? Any other reason is pure laziness and selfishness.

swingtowin · 13/02/2024 11:41

Def flick it so it's in the undergrowth - there's loads of other animal excrement in a wood, and why add to landfill?

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 11:41

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:39

From Forestry Commission webpage:

Your Forest Dog Code

Take the leadForests are great spaces for your dog to enjoy, just make sure you know when you need to use the lead.
Keep your eyes peeledPlease respect other visitors, wildlife and livestock, keep your eyes open and your dog within sight.
Have good controlDoes your dog come when called? Make sure your pup understands your commands to keep you both safe.
Keep our forests cleanBag and bin your dog's waste. Any public or household waste bin can take bagged dog poo.

Post ... A.. LINK to this, and then I will believe it.

Until then, how can anyone know this is authentic???

It's just words you are typing at the moment.

WHERE are you getting this from?

Is it that hard to post the link?! Confused

All anyone seems to have found so far, is information saying it's OK to flick dog poo into undergrowth in woods.

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nonmerci99 · 13/02/2024 11:44

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 11:41

Post ... A.. LINK to this, and then I will believe it.

Until then, how can anyone know this is authentic???

It's just words you are typing at the moment.

WHERE are you getting this from?

Is it that hard to post the link?! Confused

All anyone seems to have found so far, is information saying it's OK to flick dog poo into undergrowth in woods.

'

Edited

Here, let me google that for you: https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code

Your Forest Dog Code

Take the lead Forests are great spaces for your dog to enjoy, just make sure you know when you need to use the lead. Keep your eyes peeled Please respect other visitors, wildlife and livestock, keep your eyes open and your dog within sight. Have good c...

https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code

RaisingTheDead · 13/02/2024 11:45

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 11:41

Post ... A.. LINK to this, and then I will believe it.

Until then, how can anyone know this is authentic???

It's just words you are typing at the moment.

WHERE are you getting this from?

Is it that hard to post the link?! Confused

All anyone seems to have found so far, is information saying it's OK to flick dog poo into undergrowth in woods.

'

Edited

Here’s a link that doesn’t say that but also doesn’t advocate flicking - it says to take it away:

https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code

Your Forest Dog Code

Take the lead Forests are great spaces for your dog to enjoy, just make sure you know when you need to use the lead. Keep your eyes peeled Please respect other visitors, wildlife and livestock, keep your eyes open and your dog within sight. Have good c...

https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 11:47

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:32

@Prunesqualler

Exactly. Just because the signs are still up, doesn’t mean that it’s ok. The science no longer supports the old Forestry Commission outdated guidance. The poo damages the ecosystem and the environment - so you pick it up.

Most of These forests are privately owned. Two of them by me. So along with what we have always done historically and unless our groundsmen advice otherwise I’m happy for the locals to follow our rules. However , of the ones we visit that we don’t own, one of which has a visitors centre, I’ll definitely ask if they have any updates on this.

SweetBirdsong · 13/02/2024 11:47

nonmerci99 · 13/02/2024 11:44

Here, let me google that for you: https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code

THANK YOU!

I seriously could not find it. I don't know why @Elber was so reluctant to post the link!

Anyway, nothing to see here. I can now see The Forestry Commission HAVE changed their rules/the information!

F**k me that was hard work! 😆

Theminer · 13/02/2024 11:48

IfYouDontAsk · 13/02/2024 10:56

Same. I lost count of how many times I had to say “mind the dog poo!” to my kids on the walk to school this morning because so many wankers don’t pick up after their dogs.

People will tie theirselves up in knots trying to justify not picking up after their dogs. Forest, pavement, beach; it doesn’t matter. Dog owners should clear up after their dog every single time. And take the bag with them. Don’t get me started on the ones that bag up the poo and leave it there “with every intention of picking it up on their way back” but just happen to forget! Don’t want to pick up dog poo? Don’t own a dog.

See also wheelchair tyres. People should try getting shit off them while sitting in the chair. And it’s not like you can take it off and leave it outside like you might be able to with shoes.

Mia184 · 13/02/2024 11:50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neospora_caninum
Dog poo containing neospora caninum causes spantaneous abortion in cattle. It can also pass on to deer and birds. Do pick up your dog’s poi!

Neospora caninum - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neospora_caninum

sexyandsmart · 13/02/2024 11:50

@Ursulla

There are now close to 12 million dogs in the UK

Which poop daily. This would mean at least 12 million poop bags daily.

The vast majority of biodegradable ones are not easily biodegraded. They require the right environment which is an industrial waste facility. Simply throwing them in the trash results in years of slow decomposition into microplastic particles.

People banging on about stick and flick should probably check their poop bags as at present the vast majority of them fall into the 'not really biodegradable' category of degradable.

Barney60 · 13/02/2024 11:52

Disgusting! That sounds horrible, I don't think there is a worse smell than dog shit, except maybe a dead corpse
Cat shit is just as bad.

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:53

Interesting how people get angry and lose the ability to do a simple Google search when they realise they are wrong….

RaisingTheDead · 13/02/2024 11:53

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 11:47

Most of These forests are privately owned. Two of them by me. So along with what we have always done historically and unless our groundsmen advice otherwise I’m happy for the locals to follow our rules. However , of the ones we visit that we don’t own, one of which has a visitors centre, I’ll definitely ask if they have any updates on this.

You’re literally reading research telling you it’s bad to leave it, yet you’re so lazy that you are adamant you won’t pick it up u til an estate tells you to? Seriously?

Just listen to the extensive research, don’t be selfish and pick up your dogs shit. It’s not hard.

TheCadoganArms · 13/02/2024 11:54

Barney60 · 13/02/2024 11:52

Disgusting! That sounds horrible, I don't think there is a worse smell than dog shit, except maybe a dead corpse
Cat shit is just as bad.

A dead corpse rolled in dogshit?

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 11:55

RaisingTheDead · 13/02/2024 11:29

No, take it home either way. It is damaging to the environment and wildlife. Not taking it home because you are lazy is not an excuse. The signs may still be up but the science has moved on. You wouldn’t pit your baby to sleep in its front like we used to because the science has moved on. Pick it up, take it home, bin it properly and don’t be selfish.

I’m not not taking it home because I’m lazy. I’m following the guidance set by the owners.
we have the same signs in our woods.

Ive just had a chat with the guys here who look after our woods ( as some of the intel here is concerning) and they have said it’s better to leave it than bag and bin. Apparently they are aware of updated FC guidance and have done their research.

However I’ll keep a look out if others decide to go along with the guidance and act in accordance with it.

RaisingTheDead · 13/02/2024 11:55

sexyandsmart · 13/02/2024 11:50

@Ursulla

There are now close to 12 million dogs in the UK

Which poop daily. This would mean at least 12 million poop bags daily.

The vast majority of biodegradable ones are not easily biodegraded. They require the right environment which is an industrial waste facility. Simply throwing them in the trash results in years of slow decomposition into microplastic particles.

People banging on about stick and flick should probably check their poop bags as at present the vast majority of them fall into the 'not really biodegradable' category of degradable.

Again, they don’t really go into landfill these days. They are incinerated which has negatives and positives.

You basically have to weigh up what is worse. For me, having it incinerated and generating energy for local housing is preferable than leaving it to do damage to the countryside.

TabbyM · 13/02/2024 11:56

@blueandsad dog piss definitely kills grass even in very soggy Scotland - shared garden with 2 dogs (not mine!) and giant yellow patches, was previously a very diverse grassy area...

Personally I think there should be a licensing scheme and as in some areas a dog DNA database where repeat offenders can be fined or have pets removed if no improvement. I'm tired of all the decent walks in my area becoming games of dodge the turd hiding in long grass / under leaves .

RaisingTheDead · 13/02/2024 11:56

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 11:55

I’m not not taking it home because I’m lazy. I’m following the guidance set by the owners.
we have the same signs in our woods.

Ive just had a chat with the guys here who look after our woods ( as some of the intel here is concerning) and they have said it’s better to leave it than bag and bin. Apparently they are aware of updated FC guidance and have done their research.

However I’ll keep a look out if others decide to go along with the guidance and act in accordance with it.

Not picking it up is lazy. You’re looking for excuses. I guess you’ve found it by ignoring all the research and having someone on an estate tell you to leave it.

Carry on wrecking the environment, have a lovely time.

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:58

@Prunesqualler

We how can they be aware of the updated Forestry Commission stance/country code/scientific findings/government and advice and still think it’s ok?

Or - can’t be faced with the task of changing signage and annoying dog owners and providing bins…,

Hoolahooploop · 13/02/2024 12:00

Just pick it up and stop being lazy

Milkmani · 13/02/2024 12:00

Theminer · 13/02/2024 11:48

See also wheelchair tyres. People should try getting shit off them while sitting in the chair. And it’s not like you can take it off and leave it outside like you might be able to with shoes.

This is the worst thing I can imagine. It’s bad enough if it gets on your shoe but a wheelchair that you need to use in your home 😢 It’s disgusting that dog owners who don’t clear up after their dog can’t see the issue. Honestly if this isn’t reason enough. Maybe the next suggestion will be banning children and wheelchair users from forests, beaches, parks and pavements - anywhere where they could impact dog owners and their inability to pick up poo.

BarrelOfOtters · 13/02/2024 12:02

We have lots of forests and glens, we don’t pick up unless it’s on the path. These are large wooded areas . When we pop up the local wooded dog area we pick.up. But lots don’t.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 13/02/2024 12:17

This is the most frustrating thread ever.

Loads of info / links clearly stating that dog poo is an environmental hazard in the countryside.

Irresponsible dog owners: “I am still going to flick poo anyway”.

This just proves to me how entitled and irresponsible some people are.

ButterBastardBeans · 13/02/2024 12:25

the posters are aimed at the hard of thinking. They know thickos are going to just leave the dog shit so telling them to stick flick it is better than it festering where it is. Normals pick it up and take it away even if there are no bins.

Using the no bin excuse is pathetic and lame. Just pick it the fuck up. How hard is it?