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To not pick up dog poo...

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Moonfishstar · 13/02/2024 05:54

... when in a quiet forest, but to flick it with a stick into dense undergrowth instead?

I don't see any issue with this, but I've got a feeling lots will disagree with me, so I wanted to get some other opinions.

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Veronicaisaflower · 13/02/2024 11:03

WetBandits · 13/02/2024 11:03

Have done this when my dog jumped across the stream in the woods and did a poo on the other side. I am not built for leaping over streams and back again with a bag of poo, so on that occasion I am afraid I left it.

Do you want a cookie, hun?

ChimChimeny · 13/02/2024 11:04

I’ve seen signs in one wood telling you to do this because they don’t have bins. It’s better than people bagging & leaving the bags which they’ve had people do.
that’s definitely worse because it’d be there forever

WetBandits · 13/02/2024 11:04

Veronicaisaflower · 13/02/2024 11:03

Do you want a cookie, hun?

Why so rude babes x

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:04

New research by scientists suggests significant amounts of phosphorous and nitrogen found in dog faeces and urine left behind in nature reserves can result in over-fertilisation of the ground. This can impact varieties of plant and animal life and interactions between species.

Veronicaisaflower · 13/02/2024 11:05

WetBandits · 13/02/2024 11:04

Why so rude babes x

Because your post is pointless! 😅🍪

Janiie · 13/02/2024 11:05

WetBandits · 13/02/2024 11:03

Have done this when my dog jumped across the stream in the woods and did a poo on the other side. I am not built for leaping over streams and back again with a bag of poo, so on that occasion I am afraid I left it.

🙄

Haven't you heard of wellies? Leaping isnt required just a couple of steps. How lovely for anyone walking on the side of the stream.

WetBandits · 13/02/2024 11:05

Veronicaisaflower · 13/02/2024 11:05

Because your post is pointless! 😅🍪

OP asked if people have left their dog’s poo. I have left my dog’s poo and explained why I left it. Sorry if that’s difficult for you to follow Confused

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 13/02/2024 11:06

The fact that a study by Aberdeen University found that foxes in the Cairngorns diet consists of dog poo does not mean it is a good thing despite BBC idiotic reporting it as such.

1: Dog poop is a pollutantThe Environmental Protection Agency classifies dog poop as a pollutant, in the same category as oil spills, herbicides, insecticides, and salt from irrigation practices, because of the nutrients and pathogens that leach into soil and water, and impact wildlife, plant growth, and human health. The nitrogen and phosphorus in dog waste trigger excessive algae and weed growth, which can choke out aquatic life and make the water unsuitable for swimming or boating. In addition to excessive plant growth, the disease-causing worms, bacteria, and viruses thrive in waste, washing into the water supply, and potentially harming you or your family.

  • #2: Intestinal parasites can be transmitted to people and other pets Roundworms — One of the most common parasites found in dog waste, roundworms can remain infectious in contaminated soil and water for years. A recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study found that 14% of Americans tested positive for roundworms. In people, a roundworm infection can lead to scarring and inflammation in the eye, causing blindness as the worm migrates through the retina. Roundworm infections can also attack organs, such as the lungs or liver, or the central nervous system, in people.
  • Whipworms — As whipworms enter a person’s body through ingestion of water or dirt containing contaminated stool, a variety of issues, such as bloody diarrhea, painful or frequent defecation, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, and fecal incontinence, can plague a person with a whipworm infection.
  • Hookworms — These parasites can enter a person’s skin, creating an itchy, painful rash, and may travel to the intestines before they die.
It’s important to note that intestinal parasites are extremely common in both cats and dogs. They can infect animals of any age, although puppies and kittens tend to be the biggest victims. While many animals can be asymptomatic carriers of these parasites, others can become very sick. In order to prevent the spread of these parasites, routine fecal testing, a preventative deworming schedule, and good sanitation and environmental control are essential.
  • #3: Bacteria can be found in your dog’s stoolSalmonella — Often linked to raw cookie dough and turtles, Salmonellacan also be found in your dog’s waste, causing diarrhea, stomach cramps, and fever.
  • E. coli — This bacteria can cause severe stomach cramps, diarrhea that is often bloody, and vomiting. Some people infected with E. coli can also develop a potentially life-threatening condition known as hemolytic uremic syndrome, which causes a decrease in urination frequency, extreme lethargy, and a pale appearance because of anemia.
  • Giardia — Giardia can cause foul, greasy diarrhea, dehydration, abdominal cramping, nausea, and vomiting. Severe infections in children can lead to slow development, delayed mental and physical growth, and malnutrition.
Many signs seen in people will appear similar to illness signs in your dog. Diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting are the most common indicators your pet is suffering from a fecal-borne bacterial condition. #4: Parvovirus can easily infect other dogsParvovirus is highly contagious, resistant to many disinfectants, and extremely hardy, capable of surviving in the environment for up to two years. If your dog contacts contaminated objects, clothing, surfaces, or other dogs, she may develop vomiting, lethargy, loss of appetite, fever, and possibly bloody diarrhea, leading to a potentially life-threatening illness. The dogs most likely to contract parvovirus are young puppies still undergoing their first vaccination series, older unvaccinated dogs, dogs under stress, dogs with a concurrent parasite infection, and certain breeds, such as German shepherds, Rottweilers, American pit bull terriers, and Doberman pinschers. #5: Dog poop is not a fertilizerWhile the nitrogen in cow manure can be a fertilizing agent, too much nitrogen can kill your lawn. Because of their diet, dogs can have up to two and a half times more nitrogen than cows in their waste. If you do not promptly pick up your pet’s poop—it can take a year to naturally decompose—the high nitrogen content can burn your green grass, leaving brown dead spots. Plus, do you really want your children playing in your yard that’s fertilized with your dog’s poop? Scoop the Poop!
Comedycook · 13/02/2024 11:07

What's the downside of picking it up?

WetBandits · 13/02/2024 11:08

Janiie · 13/02/2024 11:05

🙄

Haven't you heard of wellies? Leaping isnt required just a couple of steps. How lovely for anyone walking on the side of the stream.

When it’s a metre wide, you can’t see the bottom so aren’t sure of the depth, it’s muddy and you have a bad back and bad hips, it’s not a couple of steps 😂

You can’t actually get to the other side unless you jump across it, it’s inaccessible and densely wooded. I can’t imagine there would be anyone walking there for any reason.

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 11:08

As the forestry commission support this and as you flick it into the undergrowth and not leave it on a ‘pathway’ I suppose they see it as no different to badger and fox poo.
In forests technically humans are supposed to keep to the designated routes so as not to trample on small animals and compress the ground which can affect root growth. So the poo is not harming anyone

sensationalsally · 13/02/2024 11:10

I do not like to step in dog poo when I am out walking in a forest. YABU

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:10

@Prunesqualler

The Forestry Commission DO NOT now support this:

"I can confirm that Forestry England no longer promotes the stick and flick message and have aligned our message to match the Countryside Code published on the gov.uk website. We are aware that there will be historic references to stick and flick but we are no longer advocating this and will look at how we can publish and promote our current advice to ‘bag and bin’ dog waste."

Janiie · 13/02/2024 11:11

Comedycook · 13/02/2024 11:07

What's the downside of picking it up?

Oh one just has to carry the bag of poop! how very inconvenient. Much better to leave it as streams are too challenging to cross, or 'flick' somewhere else for a reason that still hasn't been made clear tbh.

Parisiennes · 13/02/2024 11:11

Forestry England asks for poo to be picked up and binned. https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code#:~:text=Keep%20our%20forests%20clean,can%20take%20bagged%20dog%20poo.

I suspect the the Forestry Commission promotes stick and flick for economic reasons.

They don't want to buy dog waste bins and in huge forests that would cost £££.
They don't want to pay for rangers to clear the bins. This is the real cost.

Where I live, dog poo bins are often overflowing and the council struggles to empty them. Local residents are always having to phone the council to report full bins.

Your Forest Dog Code

Take the lead Forests are great spaces for your dog to enjoy, just make sure you know when you need to use the lead. Keep your eyes peeled Please respect other visitors, wildlife and livestock, keep your eyes open and your dog within sight. Have good c...

https://www.forestryengland.uk/dog-code#:~:text=Keep%20our%20forests%20clean,can%20take%20bagged%20dog%20poo.

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:11

"I can confirm that Forestry England no longer promotes the stick and flick message and have aligned our message to match the Countryside Code published on the gov.uk website. We are aware that there will be historic references to stick and flick but we are no longer advocating this and will look at how we can publish and promote our current advice to ‘bag and bin’ dog waste."

Parisiennes · 13/02/2024 11:12

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:11

"I can confirm that Forestry England no longer promotes the stick and flick message and have aligned our message to match the Countryside Code published on the gov.uk website. We are aware that there will be historic references to stick and flick but we are no longer advocating this and will look at how we can publish and promote our current advice to ‘bag and bin’ dog waste."

The message wasn't changed when I looked 2 mins ago.

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:13

@Parisiennes

Yes - on their website it clearly says bag and bin.

Magnoliasunrise · 13/02/2024 11:15

Lazy and disgusting and people like you are why I stopped my kids running through forests when they were little.

Parisiennes · 13/02/2024 11:16

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:13

@Parisiennes

Yes - on their website it clearly says bag and bin.

Ok, thanks.

I found the former 'advice' on a doggy owner website where they quoted the FC.

Anewuser · 13/02/2024 11:17

Yeah, you’re just finding an excuse.

Your dog won’t always poo exactly near brambles so you’re going to flick it 12 foot are you?

Decent dog owners get into the habit of picking up wherever they are. I tie the bag to the dog lead if I’m bothered by carrying it.

Just pick it up.

Parisiennes · 13/02/2024 11:17

The point of this thread is surely to antagonise @Moonfishstar ?

If you are so sure that you are right, why bother to ask for opinions?

It doesn't make sense.

Prunesqualler · 13/02/2024 11:17

Elber · 13/02/2024 11:10

@Prunesqualler

The Forestry Commission DO NOT now support this:

"I can confirm that Forestry England no longer promotes the stick and flick message and have aligned our message to match the Countryside Code published on the gov.uk website. We are aware that there will be historic references to stick and flick but we are no longer advocating this and will look at how we can publish and promote our current advice to ‘bag and bin’ dog waste."

Thanks for that. There’s clearly been an update.
However the forests near us where we walk have signs stating it is ok to leave dog poo but to clear it from the designated paths into the undergrowth. These are woods and marshy areas. Some of which have raised (50mm off the ground) wooden walkways. I’ll have to keep a look out if they change this.

I suppose the moral of the story is to follow the guidelines of the area you walk in and if there aren’t any, take it home.

QueenCamilla · 13/02/2024 11:19

IcedPlum · 13/02/2024 07:01

But what about all the other animals that shit in the forest ? Like foxes , badgers etc ?

Apparently they (and the rabbits) are busy shitting in the back gardens of urban houses, as every cat owner would tell you. I thought everyone knew this.

blueandsad · 13/02/2024 11:19

high nitrogen levels can kill delicate lawn grass , but rarely kills ryegrass lawns etc in England where our daily rainfall and dampness dilutes and disperses it downwards . Without wanting to offend I would wager that a few people on mumsnet ( even the female ones ) in very secluded areas do pee on their lawn ......to no ill effect .

Even given that urine has a high salt content , There's just too much rain to deal with it and our ground is quite soggy for 10 months of the year ... I would expect that rain also dilutes dog pee ... and shock horror !😂 would disperse small dogshits in hedgerows or forests . A lot of the less prudish gardeners among us , also use urine on compost heaps 😂 and ( diluted ) on trees / shrubs