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Lolapusht · 12/02/2024 19:52

What’s OJ ranting about?

dapsnotplimsolls · 12/02/2024 19:53

Further comments he made, apparently.

dapsnotplimsolls · 12/02/2024 19:54

C4 news now.

Dogfisher · 12/02/2024 19:57

What’s OJ ranting about?

Factionalism in the party and how there are different rules for Corbyn's gang compared to Starmer's gang. Ali is a Starmer supporter.

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Feelinadequate23 · 12/02/2024 19:59

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Lolapusht · 12/02/2024 20:03

Dogfisher · 12/02/2024 19:57

What’s OJ ranting about?

Factionalism in the party and how there are different rules for Corbyn's gang compared to Starmer's gang. Ali is a Starmer supporter.

Has he managed to make it Israel’s fault yet?

CormorantStrikesBack · 12/02/2024 20:04

Labour Party have withdrawn their support for him now.

Dogfisher · 12/02/2024 20:04

No he was after Starmer tonight.

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Lolapusht · 12/02/2024 20:05

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Wow…that’s kinds balls out support for Hamas there! Bravo?

BIossomtoes · 12/02/2024 20:08

No Labour candidate in Rochdale now. I’m delighted that they’ve done the right thing and sad that the seat will probably go Tory now. What a travesty.

Dogfisher · 12/02/2024 20:09

Do you think that Galloway might win though?

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dapsnotplimsolls · 12/02/2024 20:10

I'd love it if the people of Rochdale said 'Fuck It' and voted for the Monster Raving Loony candidate.

CormorantStrikesBack · 12/02/2024 20:10

Dogfisher · 12/02/2024 17:59

Cormorant where on this thread has anyone said that they plan to vote Tory because of how hopeless Starmer is? Can you show me?

I haven’t said anyone has. 🤷‍♀️

I’ve never mentioned Starmer being hopeless.

however seeing as you’ve asked there are comments like “I’m so flipping disappointed. Just when I thought Starmer had tackled the antisemitism within the party and I could vote without the worry about that, here we are.” So while that person hasn’t said they’d vote Tory they are saying they won’t vote labour because of Starmer.

i was actually agreeing with the post I’ve quoted because both in real life and on other threads on MN (often the feminism boards when discussing what a woman is) I have heard/seen people saying they will vote Tory because they can’t bring themselves to Labour. And while I agree labour have a lot of problems I think it’s a shame that people will focus on those and vote for a party which fucks people over so much.

Soupit · 12/02/2024 20:10

Starmer has done the right thing. Not an easy decision as labour is harmed either way. Harmed by the fact that clearly anti semitism is still rife and harmed by having to lose a by election.

LimeViewer · 12/02/2024 20:11

Won't Rochdale go with whoever is least involved in the grooming gangs history rather than this? As a parent that would be my concern, as this has not been completed investigations wise. Sky news had a piece about this a few days ago.

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 20:11

@Feelinadequate23 it has everything to do with being anti Jewish.

@BIossomtoes can you not see Galloway winning? As a protest vote?

EasternStandard · 12/02/2024 20:11

Lolapusht · 12/02/2024 20:03

Has he managed to make it Israel’s fault yet?

I don’t follow the guy much but no he was horrified by the comments

LoveAHamSandwhich · 12/02/2024 20:13

"Labour said the decision was taken after "new information about further comments" made by Mr Ali came to light."

So his "apology" wasn't real? Colour me shocked!

BIossomtoes · 12/02/2024 20:13

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 20:11

@Feelinadequate23 it has everything to do with being anti Jewish.

@BIossomtoes can you not see Galloway winning? As a protest vote?

Fucking hell, I hope not!

Dogfisher · 12/02/2024 20:20

I was actually agreeing with the post I’ve quoted because both in real life and on other threads on MN (often the feminism boards when discussing what a woman is) I have heard/seen people saying they will vote Tory because they can’t bring themselves to Labour

Cormorant the post you quoted was aimed at me by a previous poster who assumed that I am a Tory voter just because I am pissed off with Labour. Nowhere on here have people said they will vote Tory and it's the same on the FWR board. There are though plenty of scolders on FWR in particular telling women how to vote and implying that they are all Tories just because Labour are so woeful at the moment and women do not want to vote for them.

Anyway - in other news it looks like Starmer has done the right thing belatedly and Ali deserves it.

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Grandmasswag · 12/02/2024 20:28

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I have to say I’m inclined to agree. There has been serious criticism of the Israeli government from within Israel itself. It doesn’t make sense that they let security lapse like this and they definitely had warnings. This has been reported fairly widely. Either they are completely incompetent or they ‘dropped the ball’ because they wanted to. It’s now in Netanyahu’s interest to keep the war going as long as possible because best case scenario he is out the moment it’s over. Or he ends up being tried on corruption charges. He really is as evil as they come. This is just more meddling to discredit labour. It’s all they have left.

ProfessionalBuilding · 12/02/2024 20:35

Grandmasswag · 12/02/2024 20:28

I have to say I’m inclined to agree. There has been serious criticism of the Israeli government from within Israel itself. It doesn’t make sense that they let security lapse like this and they definitely had warnings. This has been reported fairly widely. Either they are completely incompetent or they ‘dropped the ball’ because they wanted to. It’s now in Netanyahu’s interest to keep the war going as long as possible because best case scenario he is out the moment it’s over. Or he ends up being tried on corruption charges. He really is as evil as they come. This is just more meddling to discredit labour. It’s all they have left.

This is just more meddling to discredit labour. It’s all they have left.
Who is the ‘they’ you’re referring to, here?

DepartureLounge · 12/02/2024 20:36

I'm a longstanding Labour Party member.

I think the party is absolutely right to suspend Azhar Ali. I only wish they'd done it 24 hours ago. I support Starmer in a general sense. I think he has a good grasp of realpolitik at a very, very tricky time in British (and world) politics, but I think he's slow to do the right thing sometimes, because he takes too much time to take soundings on the optics etc. Sometimes you just have to say, what is the right thing to do, and then do it.

Principles are important in politics like never before, especially in the run-up to this year's general election, as the whole point of the Labour landslide so many of us would like to see is that the Tory party is at this point completely devoid of principles.

In any case, even if you prefer optics to principles, what was the worst that could happen here? This seat will be contested again in less than 12 months. Better to take the high road and come back to the polls looking squeaky clean with a new candidate, than to hang grimly on now but do real damage to your electoral prospects later in the year. Personally, I'd like the Labour Party to endorse the LibDem candidate, but then I'd like to see electoral pacts in many constituencies this year and I have to accept it isn't going to happen. I'm also a member of Compass. I won't vote Labour in the general election because it will be wasted where I live.

I do believe - in fact I know - that the party had a shocking antisemitism problem at constituency level in the past and Starmer's done a fair job of rooting it out. And yes, I know the difference between antisemitism and censuring the actions of the State of Israel or more precisely the morally bankrupt Netanyahu, which everyone, even the US, is now doing. But this evening's decision to suspend Ali was vitally important and fortunately has now been taken.

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