XL Bully attack | 8 year old boy seriously injured

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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/schoolboy-8-seriously-injured-after-28610020

"A schoolboy is in a serious condition in hospital after being mauled by what is believed to be an XL bully.

Merseyside Police were called to Wadham Road in Bootle just after 5.20pm on Saturday following reports a dog had bitten an eight-year-old boy to the head in the communal area of flats nearby.

The boy was rushed to hospital with serious head injuries and required emergency surgery. He remains in hospital in a serious but stable condition."

IMHO the ban doesn't go anywhere near far enough and all XL Bullys need to be put to sleep.

AIBU?

I drive a car.

My car has nothing to do with dangers from dogs. My car, your car, everyone’s cars, have a practical, communal social function and benefit. Pet dogs do not. They are single indulgences for the particular owner.

Risks from cars we live with. Risks from dogs we have no reason to put up with.

Why?

Furthermore you have to pass a test & have a license to drive a car, all cars are tracked & registered.
Cars dont burst out of their enclosures in order to hunt and kill people, cars cannot be bred with other cars producing more even more dangerous varieties of cars which can be sold for profit on the black market.
Another poor analogy which only furthers the case against Pitbull type dogs!

There are so many dogs with a bigger PSI bite then most bullies which are not banned under the dangerous dog act.

Yes, but what makes many bull breeds so dangerous is the 'bite and shake' and sheer tenacity that they get from their terrier genes. Other big dogs bite but don't hold on to the same degree.

Or just ban all of them?

Wow. Mesmerising.

Wow. Witless.

Why the response? What was wrong with the post

This idea that living animals should be rounded up and killed because they are physically and theoretically capable of being dangerous but without evidence that they are individually prone to cause harm, whilst cars driven by dickheads cause many times more unnecessary deaths - and the risk of harm from cars is much greater, but justified on the basis that cars suit her. Massive twattery.

Yup. Witless.

I’m probably being dense but I’m struggling to see what is the communal, societal benefit of individuals owning cars. It’s shit for the planet for starters. Having a car benefits me and my family. I don’t think it benefits anyone else.

Er, because you can do things with your car, like shop, take your children to school, see your relatives and friends, take things to places, generally live your life. And help other people to live their lives, because cars can do things for others. Buses and lorries do the same in their ways. And the roads allow all this useful stuff. There are dangers, but there is also massive social benefit.

Trains also do these things. So do aeroplanes. They present hazards and nuisance also.

But the benefits of cars, trains and planes outweigh the - managed - risks and problems.

Pet dogs do none of the useful things. They are solely for their owners enjoyment. For others they just present a nuisance or risk.

Yes, buses, lorries, trains etc serve communities. Cars owned by individuals generally don’t. I’m not disputing that they’re of benefit to individuals/families- but they’re not really for the greater good, are they? Local air quality, carbon emissions, car accidents, traffic causing stress in everyone’s everyday lives... (I do drive a car btw, and I have a dog. Both benefit my family but not anybody else).

Both the car and the dog are theoretically potentially dangerous; the car more so!

Going to the supermarket in your car, taking children to school in your car, going to work in your car, travelling to friends and relatives in your car, ferrying your elderly relatives in your car, taking stuff to the charity shop in your car, disposing of rubbish to the dump in your car, etc etc, is generally beneficial.

As is doing any of these things for others.

The benefits are social, economic and personal.

Sure, there are dangers from road vehicles. But they’re managed as far as they can be. And the utility is greater than the dangers.

There is also environmental harm from vehicles, balanced against benefit.

But dog ownership is environmentally and, too often, socially and personally damaging to others for no good reason.

I don’t agree @WhatsTheUseOfWorrying. My having a dog doesn’t impact on other people. I clear up after him and I keep him under control. You’re never going to stop people owning dogs. It is a small minority of shit owners whose dogs cause problems for others, although I appreciate a lot more people now have dogs than in the past, so that is going to mean a great number of shit owners. But also a greater number of decent owners who think about what they’re doing and minimise their pet’s impact on other people and the environment.

The pet industry is huge.
People owning dogs provides jobs for others. Vets, pet food, pet sitting, pet toys, clothing, medications, research etc.. the list goes on.

In 2022, the pet care market was worth 7.2 billion pounds.

That is a lot of jobs, and a lot of tax.

And of course, the unconditional love and companionship you get from your dog.... is fucking priceless.

I don’t think you’ve grasped the point.

The pet industry may be economically significant. But it’s pointless, except for pet owners. And it’s irrelevant to the nuisance and danger posed by pet dogs. Because pet dogs have no communal benefit.

Transport is a social good and necessity.

You get no love from an animal. Animals are not capable of love. That’s a human-to-human emotion (other than for weirdos and perverts). Companionship you can get
from animals, but it’s your reaction not the dog’s, and it’s your interest alone.

Lots of other industries are economically significant too.. but you might think them pointless.

I get companionship from my dog. She is my world, and has been a protective factor in me still existing in this one. I would have topped myself several times over if it was not for my dog.
To say she is pointless, is to say I am pointless. And you can get fucked for thinking that. You might hate dogs... and I don't care... but it is fucking wrong to say dogs are pointless, when for some people, they absolutely are not.

If you want to run with the car analogy imagine we found out that a car that only made up 1% of vehicles on the road was responsible for 50% of deaths. For example a new driverless car that kept going rogue and causing accidents.

We would absolutely want to put measures in place to prevent that situation being allowed to continue.

Owners of dogs that attack should be held accountable, the ones that kill should be given long prison sentences

Just look on tiktok, up until the ban people were selling them through that app, it's frightening!

This happened just over a year ago.This little lad was very lucky.

The pet industry would thrive just as well sans XL Bullies in the picture.
I think the UK has banned bull bars from vehicles as they're so dangerous to pedestrians. Think of XL Bullies as bull bars if you wish to draw a comparison between pets and vehicles.

That’s a good comparison I think. I bough a van years and years ago with bull
bars on and took them off for that reason. I’d be very happy to see XL Bullies phased out - for me the issue is about making law and policy that functions instead of makes the problem worse though.

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Lots of industries are indeed pointless. But they don’t make products with teeth and muscle. They don’t make products that create a public nuisance, injure, hospitalise and kill.

I don’t hate dogs, or at least not as a whole. I hate the damage they do and the nuisance they cause. Asking for curbs on dogs is not a big deal.

Calm down. And stop swearing at me.